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hey what's up everybody this is another

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episode UFO garage I'm Ben and I'm Joe

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and this is where we talk about UFOs

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aliens and all things weird

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dude what's up man how are you today

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oh dude Tonight Tonight I'm feeling kind

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of feeling inspired a little

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the documentary that I watched today it

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was great was it not so good dude it's

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so good uh I I feel

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um I don't know like I said inspired a

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little spooky but but also like maybe I

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was mind controlled in a way yeah

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like the the video the visuals were so

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good uh the Montauk Chronicles uh uh if

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anybody uh has been uh saw that we had

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our guest tonight on the director for

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Montauk Chronicles and checked out that

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documentary

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I know you're feeling spooky

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I know it's gonna be juicy the guy's

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working on a lot of stuff man I'm

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excited to hear everything that he's got

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going on I'm excited to hear some of his

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stories and just kind of dive into this

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a little bit you know there's a couple

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different perspectives I think we're

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going to get into uh you know he gave

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his kind of a cool idea a second ago and

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I definitely want to explore that that's

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going to be really awesome uh yeah this

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is gonna be a fun one so heck yeah stick

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don't know who Christopher garrettano is

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uh he was born in New York as a graduate

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of the School of Visual Arts with a BFA

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in film Christopher is the Creator and

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director of the award-winning docudrama

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Montauk Chronicles put uh published in

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2015 he's the co-creator executive

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producer producer and the co-host of the

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History Channel's the dark files oh yeah

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dude everybody

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welcome Chris what's up dude

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hello

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thanks for having me guys

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dude thank you so much for joining us

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man

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show very cool

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thanks man it's it's it's pretty laid

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back you know we uh I like to have a

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good time we got a lot of awesome

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listeners uh we're gonna have a lot of

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good questions tonight man this is gonna

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be a lot of fun so glad you're able to

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make it on with us dude yeah let's get

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into some of this stuff man let's let's

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do it man so I mean first of all I mean

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if we're just kind of getting into it

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Chris I mean what's what's a little bit

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of your background you know everybody's

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got that uh what sparked their interest

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story kind of what what is yours man

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sure so I was a kid that um grew up

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loving special effects I my parents

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owned a video store when I was a kid and

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they had no restrictions basically no

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restrictions on what we could watch so I

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saw every movie growing up and um loved

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movies love fantasy horror action

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science fiction and so they took us to

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the drive-in and I got to see everything

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that was in the store in their video

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um you know I and I also loved you know

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the mysteries of the universe at the

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same time simultaneously like watching

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reruns of in search of and Unsolved

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Mysteries that were on at the time and

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so all of that hit me at once in those

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formative years and um I haven't stopped

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you know it's it's always been movie

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making special effects Illusions the

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magic of Cinema all of that and so you

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years I made one documentary and then I

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really wanted to do something about

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interested in doing something on the

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North American Sasquatch stories back

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then and it would just require me to

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travel way too much for it and the

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special effects that I wanted to do were

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a little expensive so I had a friend

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that knew I was from Long Island and um

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he said well why don't you do something

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on Montauk and

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I knew of the story and I had read the

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book and I wasn't too excited about that

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but what what I was excited about and

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something that I saw reoccurring in a

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lot of movies that I grew up watching

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was you would visit this old man you

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know wherever it was and he starts to

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tell you a crazy tale and the idea of

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doing that and meeting up with Preston

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Nichols and albelic that was what drew

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me into making the movie and so that's

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where I started I ended up meeting those

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gentlemen and those gentlemen were the

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ones that originally told this tale

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about the camp hero Air Force Base and

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how they were recruited by a secret

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government group to go deep underground

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and and assist in everything from time

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travel experiments to mind control

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experiments to reverse engineering alien

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Paranormal world or the ufology world

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and conspiratorial world is all in the

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Montauk story so I as as the years and

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months went on

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it and ideas started forming as I spoke

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to these people so it was an organic

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process in the beginning

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and that's how I got into all of this

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stuff

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yeah like we were talking about a little

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earlier man uh you just said it again

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like there's there's so many different

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things that are entwined with this one

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story you know everything from

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conspiracy to government projects to

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aliens to mind control I mean it's got

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don't know if you want to call it that

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perfect pie recipe this is a little

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bright it sounds like a delicious pot

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yeah yeah for sure but yes it has

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everything and it it's so weird too

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because you would think you know like

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it's weird how even if you haven't heard

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of it and then you hear about the story

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it's weird how like in your head you're

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kind of like that sounds a little crazy

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you know I don't put it past them right

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isn't that a weird position for for an

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entity to be put into to where there's a

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story told about you like you know these

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secret military projects and they're

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like oh yeah

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uh you know I I could believe that for

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yeah you know it was difficult sifting

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through what may have been made up and

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what very well could be the truth

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because I wasn't aware in the beginning

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of programs that occurred at the

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holmesburg prison

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or MK Ultra or anything like that

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much and so it started off the Montauk

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story started off with Preston Nichols

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mainly discussing a time travel

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experiment that had to do with alien

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beings and deep beneath this base it

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later came out that and Preston was very

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open about it in my film that there were

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kids being kidnapped and brought to the

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base runaway kids or bad kids you know

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like the street kids they were seeking

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those kind of undesirable kids because

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they could cover this up it's like

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violent version of Pinocchio but yeah

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that's what became confusing because I'm

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second so if this just doesn't mix these

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guys are telling this time travel story

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about aliens and all that and it felt

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like a very tall tale only because of

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how it was told and how they were all

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heroes and they Unleashed this monster

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and I I was very well versed in science

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fiction and horror films and I knew it

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felt like these things were being

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cherry-picked from The Twilight Zone

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um some Harlan Ellison fiction you know

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Forbidden Planet you know all of that

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stuff was being taken I knew these guys

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were big sci-fi fans but then when we

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children are being kidnapped or

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teenagers

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and then they're being murdered how does

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that fit in with the the adventure story

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it's just strange yeah and so later and

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this is you know years going through

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this doing research talking to other

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people and learning about alike programs

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you start to realize that maybe all of

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this sci-fi stuff

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could be a cover-up for a very illegal

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nefarious mind control program that and

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other ones

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you know if you were going to do a guilt

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by association perspective other ones

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were proven you know look up holmesburg

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prison there was a guy named Alan

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hornblum we interviewed him for the dark

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files and the dark files for History

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investigation of Montauk

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um and I felt like maybe the best one

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ever so far you know I could tell people

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where to where to begin again if they

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really wanted to do a true investigation

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and prove this thing I'd say we were

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pretty close by the end of that yeah how

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many how many uh huge conspiracies have

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been covered up by Disney movies do you

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like like all of them right like

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them but like uh a Flight of the

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Monsters Inc and the adrenochrome stuff

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crazy this is starting to feel like all

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of this is true especially after the

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last couple of years you know there's

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some weird stuff going on and I'm yeah I

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don't want to believe this stuff trust

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me I don't want to believe this stuff oh

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dude yeah I I'm I'm in the same boat

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with you you know like there's some

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stuff that like I I just yeah

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there are some things that you feel like

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I just don't really want to go down that

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within like it's almost at the same time

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difficult because you on one hand you

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don't want to be

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get your hands sticky with it but at the

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same time it's like am I just ignoring a

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massive problem that's happening right

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now you know I mean by Nature we do that

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a lot with a lot of things but

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it's important that we know you know

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because maybe somehow the people behind

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this can be stopped and there could be a

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better future up ahead

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the thing is collectively the guys in

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the whole Montauk story

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suggest that we're all all of us we're

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all mind controlled we're all asleep and

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there really is this thing much bigger

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than what was going on in hidden

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underground bases now I don't some of

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the followers of the people that preach

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this I think have become unhinged

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because they become so indulgent in the

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conspiracy that they stop living their

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lives and so to speak to what you just

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said I really believe we should continue

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living Our Lives being happy having a

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good time making sure every moment

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counts but

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maybe we should also keep an eye on some

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of this stuff you know do we have the

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power to dismantle it personally no but

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having these discussions are interesting

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for sure and if we are aware of it then

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maybe we're not so susceptible to it if

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it really is going on that's how I feel

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yeah it's like a preventative uh measure

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like it's very interesting to talk about

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what has happened or maybe what's

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currently happening but for each

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individual person like me as a father

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I'm thinking like okay well

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daughter's not going anywhere without

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somebody holding her hand for a very

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long time uh yeah I mean there's there's

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only so much he could do for for that

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but like like alien abduction like you

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can't really do all that but like as

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we're talking about like this this

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Montauk program where like some uh a lot

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of kids were being taken from the

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streets that were maybe undesirables

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that were getting you know in into

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trouble that that uh we're out whatever

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and they got lured into to some kind of

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government program uh they were easily

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coerced to to join some some kind of uh

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group that ended up being very very

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harmful uh yeah I don't know it's like

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how do you how do you uh

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how do you do what do you do about that

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after knowing this information and I

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think like just preventing it is is like

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the only thing you can't do you can't go

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back in time and save anybody or can you

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yeah According to some of the guys that

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told this tale you can but

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um what can you do I think be aware that

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these things really have happened

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because some of them have been proven we

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haven't been able to prove the mod talk

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project happen but there are you know

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programs and situations like that that

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are tantamount just as bad uh that were

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proven 100 a lot of people aren't aware

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of this

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so realize that that stuff happens be

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aware of the control so if they suggest

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let's say there's control in a lot of

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advertising because there is you know

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it's it's mind control anyway they want

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you to buy their stuff but if there's

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some kind of mass thing going on I would

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say always

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without you know not try to be the

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coolest kid on the Block but be unique

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make sure you love the music you love

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make sure you watch the movies you want

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to watch you write you exercise your

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individuality and you make sure your

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life is good you know and a lot of us

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have a life definition of that I think

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that's a good way to fight it if it is

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real because now you're living your life

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you're teaching your kid that same way

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of thinking and you're making sure that

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your Vibe is always higher as opposed to

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if there is a mind control going on they

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want to keep us low don't let that

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happen just live your life and keep

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focused on keeping your vibrations

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higher

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love that dude

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yeah love that it's like a

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there's a Jimmy Eat World song called In

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The Middle

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the the idea about the song is just

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being yourself and don't worry about

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what everybody's doing maybe they'll

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save you from things that you don't

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really know the big picture yeah don't

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don't follow the big word try try to

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question what we're being told if

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there's they're telling the masses to do

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this one thing she's don't do it right

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away just just hold on a second

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especially if they're guilt tripping you

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into doing it yeah like like Sarah

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Mclaughlin did uh so it's all about

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things that uh maybe not the government

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but somebody some some company or

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organization or deep uh a black budget

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budget project is doing uh against the

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will of uh the American people or

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anybody around the world do you think do

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you think uh events like that happen

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they're not selling anything but they're

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they happen to uh on a massive worldwide

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scale that end up traumatizing and

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fracturing the minds of of the masses on

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a a worldwide scale and there's a lot of

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talk about that in in the uh documentary

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that it got me thinking of like

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Wars and uh you know it's like things

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like 911 like very visceral memories I I

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certainly have of like teachers rolling

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in TVs from the library to make us watch

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these buildings burn like I feel like

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that was very traumatic you know I I

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think it exists I think the mass mind

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control certainly exists when I was

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going when I was making the movie

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Montauk Chronicles

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I was very careful about believing any

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of these people I was like nah I'm just

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gonna listen I think it's interesting

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and I'm gonna hear it I'm not gonna

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judge you but I'm gonna just listen but

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as the years went forward

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um

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I really believe it or not even the as

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doubtful as I was at times I think they

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were the wherever they were getting

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their information from whether it was

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first-hand experience or they were

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listening to other theories

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I would say a large part of what they

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said is true and I can tell you why you

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know I'll back it up with things that

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have been proven just in the last five

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years Alone

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um so I walk through every day again I'm

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not going to let anyone take me down

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take my spirits down it's never going to

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happen you know the world could be

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burning and I'll still be like all right

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I gotta find a way to just deal with

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this

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um but yeah there's something going on I

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think we all know it you know something

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weird is happening and I think all most

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of our world leaders are the most

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irresponsible uh people I'll say I'll

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just use that label very irresponsible

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people we need to replace them all with

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somebody else yes we think they're a

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good idea

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uh one of the things man I wanted to

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know if if they ever got into it more

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you know while you were filming this but

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one of the guys had said that you know

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when they were looking for people yeah

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they were looking for kind of like the

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the rough kids the ones that were out on

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the streets or the forgettables you know

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but then he also made the comment of

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like yeah they had certain genetic

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signatures they knew exactly what they

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were looking for

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and that to me was kind of like okay if

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you're out obviously you know there's

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some undesirables out on the streets but

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how can you tell what the genetic code

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is are they talking about like after

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they've been taken and then the ones

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that didn't match that genetic code they

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just disposed of them when they kept the

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ones with it or did they know before

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they took these kids

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so Stuart said a lot of stuff and again

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I had a hard time believing him most of

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the time uh because of his delivery then

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I meet James Bruce who is the guy in the

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ski mask and um you know he didn't I

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didn't meet him in the ski mask but he

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liked to wear the ski mask a lot he

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showed up to the premiere in the ski

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mask it's like eating a cheeseburger

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was there an adult swim show where the

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guy yeah all the time well he was great

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it was uh

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the the premiere panel you can find

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online and it's great because it kind of

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looks like the conspiratorial Village

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People everybody looks like they have a

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different costume on it's fantastic he

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wore this the ski mask to the he was he

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went to the premiere with a ski mask on

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that's kind of badass but

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say having said that and again it's fine

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it's funny but at the same time he was

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the most genuine out of all the guys I

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interviewed

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um because he he didn't want to be known

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he wasn't trying to benefit off of it uh

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he wanted to tell his story and in

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private he was really you know he's

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still he he believes a hundred percent

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he was part of this thing he doesn't go

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on and on about how he was so important

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he felt like the program and this is

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aligned with the ones that have been

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proven like holmesburg prison were

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looking for undesirables looking for

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people that had I guess the the cunning

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or

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um you know the willingness to do things

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that might not be pleasant to kill Maybe

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and um if you think about it ultimately

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this is what James said that they were

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being used as assassins so they would be

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put through this program their minds

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would be sent for it and then there

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would be triggers now press Nichols and

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Stuart and all those other guys said the

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same thing however there was always like

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I'm the most important my genetics are

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the greatest I'm a pleiadian alien or

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whatever James doesn't say that he just

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says they were looking for kids that no

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one else is going to believe they were

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looking for kids that were taking LSD

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because that is a mind control thing and

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if we could just we could go off on a

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tangent for a second about Charles

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Manson there is a whole book right now

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about how Manson was part of a mind

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control program well what did he do he

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learned everything he he tried on the

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Manson girls and the Manson family in

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the MK Ultra mind control program they

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used all that stuff on him he comes out

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and he starts giving everybody LSD and

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then he starts using mind control

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uh techniques on everybody to make them

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kill so and you know there's a I forgot

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the name of the book yeah I didn't even

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I didn't read it I heard about it I'm

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interested in reading it but I know that

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this is yeah it's it's weird stuff I've

519
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heard I've heard about that as well uh

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it's like it's like it's like

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it's like making some money forcefully

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making somebody homeless and then saying

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hey

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I can make all your dreams come true uh

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I I can give you a home and a job and

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food or whatever like of course people

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are gonna gonna take that like yeah I

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don't know I'm trying to make an analogy

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with no it's a perfect one Mike so mind

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control does work that way and even Al

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was saying they would be offered a

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stipend so people who are given gifts

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sometimes will do things normally they

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wouldn't do because they see the gift as

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a symbol of trust and the person doing

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that to manipulate the other person will

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send gifts to win their affection and

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Trust then they start telling them what

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to do and then the person says well this

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person showered me with gifts

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I trust them I'm gonna do what they ask

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me to do because either I want more

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gifts or you know I felt really great

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because of the way they're treating me

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but the nefarious person behind all of

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this understands that and understands

547
00:22:13,130 --> 00:22:11,159
they're working with a weak mind who

548
00:22:15,470 --> 00:22:13,140
doesn't question anything and they

549
00:22:17,570 --> 00:22:15,480
continue to do things in the case of the

550
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:17,580
Montauk project I think it was more

551
00:22:23,630 --> 00:22:20,400
severe than that maybe they were being

552
00:22:26,330 --> 00:22:23,640
paid to be less apprehensive about the

553
00:22:29,450 --> 00:22:26,340
the abusive parts of the program but

554
00:22:30,529 --> 00:22:29,460
according to the other programs like for

555
00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:30,539
instance the holmesburg prison

556
00:22:34,250 --> 00:22:32,280
experiments which we looked at in the

557
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:34,260
dark files I if you haven't seen it I

558
00:22:37,310 --> 00:22:36,240
can send you a link to watch it

559
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:37,320
um

560
00:22:42,169 --> 00:22:39,600
they went in and told these gentlemen

561
00:22:44,210 --> 00:22:42,179
the prisoners we're just testing

562
00:22:45,649 --> 00:22:44,220
Cosmetics on you we're testing bubble

563
00:22:47,810 --> 00:22:45,659
bath okay

564
00:22:49,850 --> 00:22:47,820
well that's not what Alan hornblum

565
00:22:51,710 --> 00:22:49,860
discovered he said this is straight up a

566
00:22:53,390 --> 00:22:51,720
mind control program that we we knew

567
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:53,400
they were giving them drugs we knew they

568
00:22:57,310 --> 00:22:54,720
were giving them trigger words that

569
00:23:00,110 --> 00:22:57,320
would be used later to make them into

570
00:23:02,029 --> 00:23:00,120
Manchurian Candidate type soldiers

571
00:23:05,930 --> 00:23:02,039
assassins yeah

572
00:23:07,850 --> 00:23:05,940
oh dude yeah I uh I I saw I saw the

573
00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:07,860
episode where you put the like the god

574
00:23:16,210 --> 00:23:11,700
helmet on and that was a trip I have

575
00:23:21,770 --> 00:23:19,909
the way you described it again was just

576
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:21,780
nuts like it was crazy the way that you

577
00:23:25,250 --> 00:23:24,000
described it and like so do you think

578
00:23:28,250 --> 00:23:25,260
it's it's like

579
00:23:30,529 --> 00:23:28,260
might be similar to like the the the

580
00:23:33,230 --> 00:23:30,539
Montauk stuff like

581
00:23:35,630 --> 00:23:33,240
the the same like I guess the method not

582
00:23:37,549 --> 00:23:35,640
like the specific hat but like just kind

583
00:23:38,570 --> 00:23:37,559
of the same idea

584
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:38,580
um

585
00:23:44,510 --> 00:23:42,480
that's laced with massive amounts of LSD

586
00:23:47,270 --> 00:23:44,520
and like

587
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:47,280
shitty living conditions I could not

588
00:23:51,710 --> 00:23:50,159
imagine yeah they were bombarding the um

589
00:23:55,490 --> 00:23:51,720
different parts of the brain with

590
00:23:57,789 --> 00:23:55,500
electromagnetic waves yeah yeah and and

591
00:24:01,130 --> 00:23:57,799
the study where the the

592
00:24:02,930 --> 00:24:01,140
god helmet was derived from a man named

593
00:24:05,090 --> 00:24:02,940
Michael Persinger

594
00:24:07,130 --> 00:24:05,100
uh and this is this is interesting I

595
00:24:10,010 --> 00:24:07,140
mean he passed away but I think he was

596
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,020
he was needing the grant money to do

597
00:24:15,529 --> 00:24:12,240
this study and his beliefs

598
00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:15,539
were interesting because he felt that

599
00:24:19,490 --> 00:24:17,460
let's say our experiences with hauntings

600
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,500
or maybe people who were laying in bed

601
00:24:22,970 --> 00:24:21,120
in the middle of the night and see you

602
00:24:25,010 --> 00:24:22,980
know Whitley strieber type aliens come

603
00:24:27,710 --> 00:24:25,020
in and standing over them

604
00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:27,720
that might be some kind of geomagnetic

605
00:24:33,770 --> 00:24:30,780
or electromagnetic effect on the brain

606
00:24:36,049 --> 00:24:33,780
and he wanted to to simulate that to see

607
00:24:38,210 --> 00:24:36,059
if he could simulate the same phenomena

608
00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:38,220
and say maybe the hauntings we're seeing

609
00:24:43,070 --> 00:24:40,440
maybe the voices maybe all this stuff is

610
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:43,080
some kind of electromagnetic effect on

611
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:45,840
the brain and I believe he was asked by

612
00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:48,720
um Mary Roach who wrote a book called

613
00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:50,760
spook and another one called stiff and

614
00:24:55,010 --> 00:24:52,860
The Spook was about it had a chapter

615
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,020
about this it was about hauntings it was

616
00:25:00,350 --> 00:24:57,600
about the afterlife stuff like that and

617
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:00,360
um she had asked him well perhaps

618
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:02,400
are you really experiencing this thing

619
00:25:06,430 --> 00:25:04,799
in other words is it maybe it's not a

620
00:25:08,690 --> 00:25:06,440
hallucination perhaps the the

621
00:25:10,610 --> 00:25:08,700
electromagnetic and geomagnetic effects

622
00:25:12,169 --> 00:25:10,620
on our brain are allowing us to see some

623
00:25:13,850 --> 00:25:12,179
other dimension and he said I haven't

624
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,860
ruled that out

625
00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:16,080
and so

626
00:25:23,330 --> 00:25:19,620
um there are mind control devices real

627
00:25:24,890 --> 00:25:23,340
technology being used to by governments

628
00:25:26,990 --> 00:25:24,900
of the world you could look this up or

629
00:25:29,149 --> 00:25:27,000
you may have read about it already that

630
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:29,159
they induce some kind of odd

631
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:32,159
schizophrenic experiences where you can

632
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:35,039
start hearing voices and it's a it's a

633
00:25:40,730 --> 00:25:36,960
it's a technological device where they

634
00:25:42,830 --> 00:25:40,740
can pinpoint a Target either you or I uh

635
00:25:44,510 --> 00:25:42,840
and they'll say okay well we want them

636
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:44,520
to feel like they're crazy so we're

637
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,159
going to start hitting them with those

638
00:25:50,269 --> 00:25:48,720
electromagnetic waves heavy and they're

639
00:25:52,430 --> 00:25:50,279
going to start to hear voices and think

640
00:25:56,090 --> 00:25:52,440
they're nuts and it's being used

641
00:25:59,330 --> 00:25:56,100
technology yeah I don't know if you guys

642
00:26:01,250 --> 00:25:59,340
have ever heard of of uh this is it's a

643
00:26:03,769 --> 00:26:01,260
really short documentary that Vice put

644
00:26:05,870 --> 00:26:03,779
out uh I think it's called the tone or

645
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:05,880
or the uh the vibration or something but

646
00:26:12,529 --> 00:26:08,880
it it follows this this family or the

647
00:26:15,769 --> 00:26:12,539
specific town that that lived near a gas

648
00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:15,779
pipeline yeah yeah for some reason it

649
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:17,880
just vibrated these pipes at a certain

650
00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:20,880
frequency and based on the geological uh

651
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:23,940
composition of the uh the Bedrock

652
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:26,400
surrounding this neighborhood it emitted

653
00:26:30,049 --> 00:26:27,840
this frequency that started making

654
00:26:33,470 --> 00:26:30,059
people hear stuff

655
00:26:37,070 --> 00:26:33,480
uh voices started making people very

656
00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:37,080
very like uh not gonna schizophrenic

657
00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:40,860
it's edgy yeah edgy uncomfortable yes

658
00:26:45,409 --> 00:26:43,080
people started leaving and moving and

659
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:45,419
nobody knew why it's called the hum I

660
00:26:50,029 --> 00:26:46,880
think um

661
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:50,039
oh it's fascinating and and uh I

662
00:26:54,169 --> 00:26:51,840
remember there was an episode Joe and I

663
00:26:56,450 --> 00:26:54,179
did a while back that that we talked

664
00:26:59,450 --> 00:26:56,460
about so that there's a phenomenon here

665
00:27:02,570 --> 00:26:59,460
in Texas called the Marfa lights and uh

666
00:27:03,950 --> 00:27:02,580
Joe always makes he always makes fun of

667
00:27:07,070 --> 00:27:03,960
me because I'm like I'm you're swam

668
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:07,080
casting me but I'm I'm not squamed ass

669
00:27:09,890 --> 00:27:08,159
but like

670
00:27:12,890 --> 00:27:09,900
I mean there's something to do with

671
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:12,900
frequency our our brains run off of

672
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:15,360
Electric electrical impulses and

673
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:18,840
chemicals so who's to say that uh uh

674
00:27:24,830 --> 00:27:22,320
vibrational frequencies can't alter our

675
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:24,840
perception of of reality and make you

676
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,080
feel and secrete unknowingly chemicals

677
00:27:33,049 --> 00:27:30,720
that might make you feel on edge or they

678
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:33,059
they can and and that's the scariest

679
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:35,039
part because okay so if we go back to

680
00:27:41,390 --> 00:27:37,520
this conspiracy of Montauk for a second

681
00:27:44,210 --> 00:27:41,400
Nichols whole thing was they they the

682
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:44,220
the Royal they were planning on using

683
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:46,320
all of this because that was the test

684
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:48,240
phase stuff like the Montauk project was

685
00:27:52,430 --> 00:27:49,980
the test phase that's why they found

686
00:27:54,769 --> 00:27:52,440
human subjects because eventually they

687
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:54,779
wanted to use it on the masses and what

688
00:27:59,390 --> 00:27:57,840
power hungry you know power lust group

689
00:28:03,230 --> 00:27:59,400
wouldn't want to control the entire

690
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,240
populace so that's what this is all

691
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,760
meant for and and once those

692
00:28:11,630 --> 00:28:07,679
Technologies become

693
00:28:13,490 --> 00:28:11,640
you know massly broadcast all over and

694
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:13,500
able to reach us all then I guess we

695
00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:16,020
become like a uh as uh Stewarts were

696
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:17,880
able to set a borg Society in reference

697
00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:22,080
to Star Trek yeah I don't yeah you know

698
00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:23,880
and again I was doubting all of it at

699
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,460
the time I was like yeah okay

700
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:28,799
but as we go forward in this crazy time

701
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:31,679
we're living in I I start to really

702
00:28:36,830 --> 00:28:33,360
believe everything just about everything

703
00:28:38,990 --> 00:28:36,840
I was told I mean with anything there

704
00:28:41,390 --> 00:28:39,000
are charlatans you know any kind of

705
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:41,400
conspiracy any kind of um

706
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,120
uh you know UFOs cryptozoology hauntings

707
00:28:50,090 --> 00:28:47,760
there are liars also it doesn't mean

708
00:28:51,769 --> 00:28:50,100
that those things aren't true it means

709
00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:51,779
that with just about everything there's

710
00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:53,580
going to be somebody that latches on to

711
00:28:57,230 --> 00:28:55,500
try and profit off of it that then

712
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:57,240
they're not genuine you know they don't

713
00:29:00,769 --> 00:28:58,559
have a general story they're just making

714
00:29:02,990 --> 00:29:00,779
it up same with the conspiratorial world

715
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:03,000
there are a ton of liars yeah but it

716
00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:04,320
doesn't mean there aren't conspiracies

717
00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:07,140
there really are you know for sure and

718
00:29:10,190 --> 00:29:08,700
it's one of those situations too where

719
00:29:12,110 --> 00:29:10,200
like you know the more you look into

720
00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:12,120
stuff it's almost like a chicken in the

721
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:14,220
egg kind of a thing you're like damn you

722
00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:17,279
know like what came first like something

723
00:29:22,730 --> 00:29:20,580
real to create this story in the first

724
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:22,740
place or did this story happen and then

725
00:29:26,510 --> 00:29:24,480
people are like that's a good idea I'm

726
00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:26,520
gonna try that you know because you know

727
00:29:30,529 --> 00:29:28,140
you start looking at like the UFO stuff

728
00:29:32,750 --> 00:29:30,539
and you see like the the flying saucers

729
00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:32,760
in like the late 40s and then 50s and

730
00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:34,200
then you find out that like there's a

731
00:29:40,010 --> 00:29:36,840
dude who patented like the way you like

732
00:29:41,690 --> 00:29:40,020
a saucer would look like in 42 like they

733
00:29:44,510 --> 00:29:41,700
were trying to Launch

734
00:29:46,730 --> 00:29:44,520
60 Rockets to the Moon before the the

735
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:46,740
60s even got here like those dudes were

736
00:29:51,649 --> 00:29:49,679
doing something already like it it was

737
00:29:54,289 --> 00:29:51,659
already happening and then like we have

738
00:29:56,690 --> 00:29:54,299
all these fantastic you know uh sci-fi

739
00:29:59,870 --> 00:29:56,700
films that come out and then like you

740
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,880
know the late 80s in the early 90s you

741
00:30:03,710 --> 00:30:01,440
start seeing some of that technology

742
00:30:06,350 --> 00:30:03,720
that like they could have been working

743
00:30:08,269 --> 00:30:06,360
on before those movies even came out

744
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:08,279
movies came out and now you see

745
00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:09,840
technology that looks like the movies

746
00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:11,700
and it's like the perfect generational

747
00:30:16,730 --> 00:30:15,000
cover-up sure you know I'm leaning

748
00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:16,740
towards the flying purple people eater

749
00:30:20,750 --> 00:30:19,740
in the movie nope the new one like I

750
00:30:24,430 --> 00:30:20,760
don't know if I don't want to ruin it

751
00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:24,440
for anybody but uh dude it's not a UFO

752
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:27,000
you have no idea we have a great episode

753
00:30:33,049 --> 00:30:30,559
on the flying purple people here guys

754
00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:33,059
we just did an episode on nope too which

755
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,220
I I've seen it Joe has not we we had

756
00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:37,200
planned to watch it together and film uh

757
00:30:45,250 --> 00:30:40,200
and uh in person but I I unfortunately

758
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,210
it was great

759
00:30:52,430 --> 00:30:49,679
that's great yeah it was good but no one

760
00:30:55,610 --> 00:30:52,440
yeah the movie was amazing dude yeah

761
00:30:58,970 --> 00:30:55,620
there's a lot of uh no spoilers but like

762
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:58,980
a lot of things that uh confirmed that

763
00:31:03,289 --> 00:31:00,559
whoever was the

764
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:03,299
uh consultant on that film

765
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:06,720
either has been in the ufology community

766
00:31:13,450 --> 00:31:10,559
or or had at least knows about it or

767
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:13,460
been a fly on the wall uh for the past

768
00:31:18,830 --> 00:31:16,559
maybe 50 years because there's just a

769
00:31:21,289 --> 00:31:18,840
lot of references a lot more recent

770
00:31:24,529 --> 00:31:21,299
actually than than older like having to

771
00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:24,539
do with mantis uh uh bugs I'll say that

772
00:31:30,490 --> 00:31:27,240
no no sure sure yeah I know it was solid

773
00:31:32,990 --> 00:31:30,500
I liked it it was a good movie yes yes

774
00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:33,000
but man one thing that we were talking

775
00:31:36,409 --> 00:31:34,440
about a little bit before we hopped on

776
00:31:39,169 --> 00:31:36,419
was this fascination

777
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:39,179
with people just in general who may not

778
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:40,559
even know the story but just the

779
00:31:47,210 --> 00:31:42,720
fascination of wanting to go and explore

780
00:31:49,610 --> 00:31:47,220
the area now right and uh yeah that's

781
00:31:52,130 --> 00:31:49,620
that's a whole nother topic on its own

782
00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:52,140
you know yeah there were there were a

783
00:31:57,230 --> 00:31:55,140
couple of guys um that were exploring

784
00:31:59,870 --> 00:31:57,240
the Montauk base before anybody really

785
00:32:02,029 --> 00:31:59,880
was and um you know with the fascination

786
00:32:04,250 --> 00:32:02,039
that everybody has now that stranger

787
00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:04,260
things has really sparked

788
00:32:09,529 --> 00:32:06,120
um you know over my documentary or

789
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,539
anything on the Montauk project uh

790
00:32:15,230 --> 00:32:12,000
these guys were there before any of that

791
00:32:16,669 --> 00:32:15,240
and one in particular Paul Fagan he

792
00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:16,679
passed away the other day unfortunately

793
00:32:21,289 --> 00:32:19,740
a young guy too and um he was in Montauk

794
00:32:23,810 --> 00:32:21,299
Chronicles and I brought him into the

795
00:32:27,230 --> 00:32:23,820
dark files but he saw The Goonies when

796
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,240
he was a kid and he was obsessed with

797
00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:30,000
The Goonies and he told me all about

798
00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:31,620
this and he said well basically because

799
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,200
he grew up in Montauk and if you know

800
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,720
the geography in Montauk it's it's you

801
00:32:39,889 --> 00:32:38,399
know has all these big Cliffs and it's

802
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:39,899
kind of in the middle and nowhere and

803
00:32:44,570 --> 00:32:42,480
it's a very small town and so he felt

804
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:44,580
like he was living that movie and and he

805
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:47,760
found the Montauk story to be his

806
00:32:51,649 --> 00:32:49,679
Goonies adventure and that's what he

807
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:51,659
lived his whole life you know it was it

808
00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:54,360
meant everything to him so I it got me

809
00:32:59,450 --> 00:32:56,340
really thinking about um all the people

810
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,460
that really love going to Camp hero to

811
00:33:02,930 --> 00:33:01,440
find an adventure you know because

812
00:33:04,909 --> 00:33:02,940
that's what they're seeking they're

813
00:33:06,350 --> 00:33:04,919
seeking this mysteryness adventure this

814
00:33:08,210 --> 00:33:06,360
first hand thing as opposed to living

815
00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:08,220
vicariously through films which we all

816
00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:10,679
love to do they're out there like

817
00:33:14,029 --> 00:33:12,600
walking because it's the one place think

818
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:14,039
about it you can't go to any of these

819
00:33:19,730 --> 00:33:16,620
top secret bases you can't walk into

820
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:19,740
Area 51 or go deep inside any of the

821
00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:22,799
alleged secret Holdings but you can go

822
00:33:26,570 --> 00:33:24,840
into Camp hero well legally you can't

823
00:33:28,909 --> 00:33:26,580
really go into the tower but you can

824
00:33:31,090 --> 00:33:28,919
walk into the base legally you can walk

825
00:33:33,789 --> 00:33:31,100
around and do your own little research

826
00:33:37,610 --> 00:33:33,799
campaign at the base

827
00:33:39,529 --> 00:33:37,620
it's open to the public and so I think a

828
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,539
lot of people flock there now and who

829
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,279
knows what it's going to be like in a

830
00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:42,960
few years and so it really had me

831
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,460
thinking about everybody that does that

832
00:33:49,850 --> 00:33:46,559
and Paul is one of the people that

833
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:49,860
epitomized what everyone is doing now

834
00:33:55,789 --> 00:33:51,600
um so I'm I'm gonna do a little tribute

835
00:33:58,250 --> 00:33:55,799
to them next week on my own podcast off

836
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,260
to the Witch and you know I really want

837
00:34:04,190 --> 00:34:00,960
to get into the deep into the idea of

838
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:04,200
that how people become so obsessed with

839
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:05,519
something you know they make it their

840
00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:08,399
whole life uh you know we have

841
00:34:13,369 --> 00:34:10,619
probably more people than ever

842
00:34:16,369 --> 00:34:13,379
hunting for Ghosts Out searching in

843
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:16,379
groups for UFOs

844
00:34:22,129 --> 00:34:19,919
um you know cryptozoology hunting and

845
00:34:23,149 --> 00:34:22,139
the Montauk thing is in a category of

846
00:34:26,450 --> 00:34:23,159
its own

847
00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:26,460
uh because again you know you can't wipe

848
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:30,419
away the idea that there were if this is

849
00:34:33,470 --> 00:34:31,200
true

850
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:33,480
don't forget there were murders

851
00:34:38,930 --> 00:34:36,480
committed there and when I say legal

852
00:34:42,349 --> 00:34:38,940
murders you know in their illegal

853
00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:42,359
murders in war and law enforcement

854
00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:43,800
um you know government ordered

855
00:34:49,790 --> 00:34:46,980
assassinations but these if they did

856
00:34:52,190 --> 00:34:49,800
happen were illegal you know they were

857
00:34:54,409 --> 00:34:52,200
kidnapping kids and experimenting on

858
00:34:56,570 --> 00:34:54,419
them and so for groups of independent

859
00:34:58,130 --> 00:34:56,580
people whether it be for to find an

860
00:34:59,450 --> 00:34:58,140
adventure or to really prove something

861
00:35:02,810 --> 00:34:59,460
that happened

862
00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:02,820
I think is the only way really because

863
00:35:06,430 --> 00:35:03,720
um

864
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:06,440
in the 90s there was a kind of a

865
00:35:11,569 --> 00:35:09,119
half-assed admission of this kind of

866
00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:11,579
thing by Bill Clinton

867
00:35:17,089 --> 00:35:14,460
and mainly in the Forefront of it he was

868
00:35:20,089 --> 00:35:17,099
putting the um some of the victims of

869
00:35:22,490 --> 00:35:20,099
the Tuskegee medical experiments and say

870
00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:22,500
and apologizing publicly for that well

871
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,800
that was heinous in its own right but in

872
00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:27,839
that same time frame within the same two

873
00:35:34,250 --> 00:35:30,540
weeks there was a Congressional hearings

874
00:35:35,390 --> 00:35:34,260
for mind control experiments led by a

875
00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:35,400
bunch of people and they were

876
00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:37,020
compensated by the government and that

877
00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:39,480
was the Lesser known facet of it so

878
00:35:43,609 --> 00:35:41,160
these things have been proven these

879
00:35:44,569 --> 00:35:43,619
things really did happen yeah can you

880
00:35:46,130 --> 00:35:44,579
could you tell me a little bit more

881
00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:46,140
about the government hearing and how we

882
00:35:51,890 --> 00:35:48,060
can search for that because that that's

883
00:35:53,569 --> 00:35:51,900
amazing so sure so Christina dinicola I

884
00:35:56,270 --> 00:35:53,579
think was one of the main speakers at

885
00:35:58,430 --> 00:35:56,280
that and once again you had Bill Clinton

886
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,440
saying well these horrible radiation

887
00:36:02,569 --> 00:36:00,720
experiments and blah blah blah blah blah

888
00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:02,579
so then you can cut to Christina

889
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:05,160
dinicola at the hearing saying they were

890
00:36:09,890 --> 00:36:07,200
not radiation experiments these were

891
00:36:11,690 --> 00:36:09,900
mind control experiments and that is

892
00:36:13,550 --> 00:36:11,700
another thing that Alan horn Bloomberg

893
00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:13,560
enforced about holmesburg prison which

894
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:16,680
was yet a different location uh with his

895
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:19,680
book Acres of skin he and you'll hear

896
00:36:23,569 --> 00:36:21,480
him in the dark files too he's you know

897
00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:23,579
because I had two people with me History

898
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,040
Channel uh pointed two people to join in

899
00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:28,320
on my like first official investigation

900
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,060
because Montauk Chronicles is more of a

901
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:32,640
character study and but now we have the

902
00:36:36,250 --> 00:36:34,680
resources or I had the resources finally

903
00:36:40,609 --> 00:36:36,260
to do an investigation so I had

904
00:36:43,310 --> 00:36:40,619
geophysicists I had a xcia guy and a

905
00:36:45,650 --> 00:36:43,320
journalist from The Washington Post who

906
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:45,660
the journalist was mainly there to be a

907
00:36:49,730 --> 00:36:48,000
skeptic and so I have a problem with

908
00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:49,740
people like that because I'd rather not

909
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,420
travel with someone like that because

910
00:36:54,829 --> 00:36:53,280
now that they've already declared I'm

911
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:54,839
the skeptic so there's no way I'm going

912
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:56,160
to believe in anything and it's like

913
00:37:03,970 --> 00:36:59,119
hold on yeah

914
00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:06,349
we were not there yet we used to be

915
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:08,280
watching you know how do you let

916
00:37:11,150 --> 00:37:09,599
somebody know how do you let somebody

917
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:11,160
know that they're being a wet napkin

918
00:37:15,290 --> 00:37:13,040
without oh I let him know

919
00:37:16,730 --> 00:37:15,300
he knows it too but then we went out to

920
00:37:20,450 --> 00:37:16,740
dinner at some Jamaican restaurant and

921
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,460
made friends again nice dude oh man yeah

922
00:37:25,069 --> 00:37:22,800
who can fight over a a nice plate of

923
00:37:26,930 --> 00:37:25,079
some dirt jerk chicken that's what we

924
00:37:28,849 --> 00:37:26,940
had come on the spice makes everybody

925
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:28,859
nice you know it makes everybody nice

926
00:37:35,150 --> 00:37:32,400
that's right man dude yeah I I

927
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:35,160
I love that idea of being able to go and

928
00:37:40,130 --> 00:37:37,200
explore something that you love you know

929
00:37:42,109 --> 00:37:40,140
it's not always easy to just go out and

930
00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:42,119
explore things sometimes it is a little

931
00:37:46,849 --> 00:37:44,520
difficult you know uh I I think that's

932
00:37:48,650 --> 00:37:46,859
one of the coolest things about like

933
00:37:51,410 --> 00:37:48,660
you know I guess it's like the UFO field

934
00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:51,420
right is there yes there are places that

935
00:37:56,750 --> 00:37:55,380
you could go and like do UFO searches

936
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:56,760
but

937
00:38:01,730 --> 00:37:59,280
oftentimes if you're lucky enough you

938
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,740
could just go outside you know and look

939
00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:03,359
up for a few hours so you made a you

940
00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:04,920
might not see anything right you might

941
00:38:09,410 --> 00:38:07,560
not see anything but you know you got to

942
00:38:10,849 --> 00:38:09,420
go outside and look up it's it's part of

943
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,859
the adventure and that's cool because

944
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:12,240
you can just take it wherever you want

945
00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:15,359
to you know yeah an adventure is great

946
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,160
and that's why I do a lot of what I'm

947
00:38:21,410 --> 00:38:19,440
doing you know I mean I uh I have some

948
00:38:22,849 --> 00:38:21,420
lighter investigations like James Dean's

949
00:38:25,069 --> 00:38:22,859
car and stuff like that you know like

950
00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:25,079
what that's cool it's fun the Montauk

951
00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:27,900
project was fun sometimes sometimes it

952
00:38:31,329 --> 00:38:29,700
was Heavy you know it got pretty heavy

953
00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:31,339
thinking about kids getting murdered

954
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:33,660
yeah man that's

955
00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:36,079
talking about low low vibrations

956
00:38:41,690 --> 00:38:38,700
like you're gonna intro of this episode

957
00:38:43,550 --> 00:38:41,700
I was like I I texted Joe earlier I was

958
00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:43,560
like dude I'm spooked from watching this

959
00:38:47,329 --> 00:38:45,480
film dude like you do such a great job

960
00:38:50,450 --> 00:38:47,339
of visually representing these stories

961
00:38:51,790 --> 00:38:50,460
like you can hear somebody say that they

962
00:38:54,770 --> 00:38:51,800
were

963
00:38:56,510 --> 00:38:54,780
physically and mentally abused but you

964
00:38:58,370 --> 00:38:56,520
do a really good job of visually

965
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:58,380
representing that without making it like

966
00:39:03,290 --> 00:39:01,200
cheesy like it was like dude it it was

967
00:39:05,810 --> 00:39:03,300
creepy bro like it got the point across

968
00:39:07,790 --> 00:39:05,820
and maybe it got me in that feeling dude

969
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:07,800
it was it was thanks man yeah some

970
00:39:12,890 --> 00:39:10,079
people it's weird some have people who

971
00:39:14,990 --> 00:39:12,900
are deep in the conspiracy

972
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:15,000
um have accused me of being uh you know

973
00:39:18,530 --> 00:39:16,380
he's an Illuminati trying to program

974
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:18,540
everybody with this movie trust me I

975
00:39:24,730 --> 00:39:21,359
made I'm not the Illuminati at all you

976
00:39:27,790 --> 00:39:24,740
know that's what an Illuminati got Woods

977
00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:27,800
that's what they want us to believe

978
00:39:33,230 --> 00:39:30,839
exactly we'll hold our reservations for

979
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,240
now okay let's try to mind control us

980
00:39:37,550 --> 00:39:35,040
with the movie no what I'm trying to do

981
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:37,560
is immerse you into something and show

982
00:39:43,849 --> 00:39:40,560
you how Unpretty this was how horrible

983
00:39:46,609 --> 00:39:43,859
this was without it being like um

984
00:39:49,970 --> 00:39:46,619
you know the pasolini film sallow which

985
00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:49,980
or or the movie Martyrs uh by Pascal

986
00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:52,140
laguerre those movies are like you know

987
00:39:56,030 --> 00:39:53,820
for some people unwatchable and I don't

988
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,040
blame them so I wanted Montauk to be

989
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,079
watchable and at the same time for it to

990
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:00,720
be heavy so how do we do that we suggest

991
00:40:05,210 --> 00:40:03,359
suggest as opposed to showing which the

992
00:40:06,410 --> 00:40:05,220
other two movies I just mentioned you

993
00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:06,420
know you're not gonna have a nice time

994
00:40:11,150 --> 00:40:07,740
watching those

995
00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:11,160
yeah yeah yeah it's tasteful I guess is

996
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:13,380
is the right the right term

997
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:15,119
um but yeah like how do you how do you

998
00:40:19,370 --> 00:40:16,079
uh

999
00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:19,380
like your mission as a director is is

1000
00:40:24,050 --> 00:40:21,720
not only to find the story be interested

1001
00:40:27,050 --> 00:40:24,060
in it and and get other people to not

1002
00:40:30,050 --> 00:40:27,060
only be interested in it as well but get

1003
00:40:32,030 --> 00:40:30,060
the same feeling that you had and convey

1004
00:40:33,650 --> 00:40:32,040
that and sometimes people need a little

1005
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,660
bit more convincing you can't just put

1006
00:40:37,310 --> 00:40:35,280
something down write it on a piece of

1007
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:37,320
paper and hand it to somebody and expect

1008
00:40:44,030 --> 00:40:40,740
them to feel a certain way about a topic

1009
00:40:47,390 --> 00:40:44,040
like you have to show them uh visually

1010
00:40:50,569 --> 00:40:47,400
and yeah it's uh I think it's it's

1011
00:40:54,109 --> 00:40:50,579
really well done oh thank you yeah uh

1012
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:54,119
also I found uh well some visuals for

1013
00:41:01,370 --> 00:40:57,359
for Montauk and uh

1014
00:41:03,710 --> 00:41:01,380
you're spot on with the uh with the

1015
00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:03,720
correlation to this uh Rocky formation

1016
00:41:08,810 --> 00:41:05,640
and Goonies and The Goonies yeah yeah

1017
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,820
sure so yeah Paul grew up with that in

1018
00:41:12,829 --> 00:41:10,800
mind he's like apple that's me I'm you

1019
00:41:14,810 --> 00:41:12,839
know I'm a goonie so he's lived his

1020
00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:14,820
whole life that way and he would roam

1021
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,440
around that base so much and that's

1022
00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:18,240
pretty much how I found him I needed

1023
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:20,700
somebody like him to when I started

1024
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:23,040
shooting the documentary I I needed

1025
00:41:26,270 --> 00:41:24,480
someone like him to take me around and

1026
00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:26,280
he took us he found he found ways

1027
00:41:29,690 --> 00:41:27,720
through the fence he found all this

1028
00:41:33,710 --> 00:41:29,700
stuff so I'm so grateful to everything

1029
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:33,720
he contributed uh Paul good guy yeah you

1030
00:41:37,730 --> 00:41:36,240
know one thing that surprised me is that

1031
00:41:39,890 --> 00:41:37,740
every time I've ever thought about this

1032
00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:39,900
story and I always thought about the

1033
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:41,820
people on the inside

1034
00:41:45,890 --> 00:41:44,640
I mean not so not so much the kids but

1035
00:41:47,930 --> 00:41:45,900
like the people that were like running

1036
00:41:49,490 --> 00:41:47,940
and operating it you know you always get

1037
00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:49,500
that feeling of like man what a bunch of

1038
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,140
[\h__\h] right and then I really kind of

1039
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:54,240
stepped back I was like can you imagine

1040
00:42:00,290 --> 00:41:57,599
right you're you know you're 18 you're

1041
00:42:02,510 --> 00:42:00,300
in the service you sign up you do

1042
00:42:04,609 --> 00:42:02,520
everything everybody else is doing maybe

1043
00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:04,619
you pass a couple extra tests then they

1044
00:42:08,210 --> 00:42:06,780
trust you with some stuff and then

1045
00:42:10,609 --> 00:42:08,220
before you know it you know six years

1046
00:42:12,890 --> 00:42:10,619
down the road you get put in this this

1047
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,900
base and then before you know it you're

1048
00:42:16,190 --> 00:42:14,880
you're like in this building with a

1049
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:16,200
bunch of kids and you're like what the

1050
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:17,520
hell like you're literally just getting

1051
00:42:21,050 --> 00:42:18,960
transferred and then they're like oh

1052
00:42:23,089 --> 00:42:21,060
yeah now you're in a place to where you

1053
00:42:25,069 --> 00:42:23,099
can't say anything and you got to do

1054
00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:25,079
your job and if you don't we're gonna

1055
00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:26,940
put one between your eyes you like that

1056
00:42:33,710 --> 00:42:30,599
like and you're like holy [\h__\h] okay yeah

1057
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:33,720
like so these people were [\h__\h] right

1058
00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:35,520
on the surface but then when you get

1059
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:36,780
down on that level you're like damn

1060
00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:39,359
you're just a regular Dude too you could

1061
00:42:44,990 --> 00:42:41,460
have ended up in that position just as

1062
00:42:47,329 --> 00:42:45,000
easy as as anybody else yes I I suppose

1063
00:42:49,130 --> 00:42:47,339
it's hard to say what you would do when

1064
00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:49,140
someone threatens your life and tells

1065
00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:51,720
you to do it but

1066
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,540
I would you know that's why a lot of us

1067
00:42:58,730 --> 00:42:56,400
think twice about even getting into some

1068
00:43:01,069 --> 00:42:58,740
kind of heavily organized situation

1069
00:43:03,890 --> 00:43:01,079
where you're required to kill or being

1070
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:03,900
trained to kill right

1071
00:43:07,370 --> 00:43:04,800
um

1072
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,380
like I I always thought twice about that

1073
00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:08,880
I had interest in

1074
00:43:12,050 --> 00:43:10,500
going into the military I guess because

1075
00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:12,060
I watched a lot of war movies for some

1076
00:43:16,849 --> 00:43:13,500
reason but it didn't occur to me that

1077
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:16,859
you die you know or get shot like we

1078
00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:19,440
were pumped up as kids you know they but

1079
00:43:23,809 --> 00:43:21,660
GI Joe's in our hands and we watched all

1080
00:43:26,809 --> 00:43:23,819
these cool Rambo movies and you know

1081
00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:26,819
Commando with uh Arnold and

1082
00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:28,260
then all of a sudden you see the

1083
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,660
recruiters you know contacting you and

1084
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,920
you're like yeah I want to do that too

1085
00:43:36,050 --> 00:43:33,359
and it's like

1086
00:43:38,210 --> 00:43:36,060
but you but and this is shown in so many

1087
00:43:40,370 --> 00:43:38,220
anti-war films that once you're there

1088
00:43:41,930 --> 00:43:40,380
and now bullets are ripping through your

1089
00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:41,940
friends and people are getting blown up

1090
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:43,560
and there are a lot of perspectives on

1091
00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:45,200
this I'm not

1092
00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:48,300
anti-military in terms of

1093
00:43:55,010 --> 00:43:51,720
stopping the military from protecting us

1094
00:43:56,990 --> 00:43:55,020
because I we need it right but at the

1095
00:43:58,190 --> 00:43:57,000
same time it's debatable as to what

1096
00:44:01,010 --> 00:43:58,200
attracts

1097
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:01,020
a young man or a young woman to go into

1098
00:44:05,329 --> 00:44:02,880
the military and I think a lot of that

1099
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:05,339
has to be especially for us it's that

1100
00:44:08,690 --> 00:44:06,720
testosterone is flowing through your

1101
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:08,700
veins we do have those images put into

1102
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,280
our heads as very little kids and you're

1103
00:44:15,710 --> 00:44:13,200
like you know you're you're in it before

1104
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:15,720
you even know why you were there and so

1105
00:44:19,010 --> 00:44:17,460
maybe some of these recruits for these

1106
00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:19,020
programs were the same they're like

1107
00:44:22,370 --> 00:44:21,060
great they're going to pay me cool what

1108
00:44:25,609 --> 00:44:22,380
do I have to do

1109
00:44:28,130 --> 00:44:25,619
and now you're at this place where uh oh

1110
00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:28,140
and you realize how heavy this whole

1111
00:44:34,010 --> 00:44:30,660
thing is yeah there's a moment in the

1112
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:34,020
film where Preston yells at me and

1113
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:36,000
you know because I challenged him for a

1114
00:44:38,930 --> 00:44:37,200
second it's like well how do you feel

1115
00:44:40,910 --> 00:44:38,940
about I'm paraphrasing myself but how do

1116
00:44:43,309 --> 00:44:40,920
you feel about all these kids dying and

1117
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,319
what you know and he's like well what

1118
00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:45,359
would you do when you had if you had a

1119
00:44:49,130 --> 00:44:46,740
gun pointed to your head whatever the

1120
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,140
hell they told you to do you know

1121
00:44:53,390 --> 00:44:51,359
so I don't know I've I'm I haven't been

1122
00:44:54,890 --> 00:44:53,400
in that position where someone held a

1123
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:54,900
gun against my head to tell me what to

1124
00:45:00,589 --> 00:44:58,079
do yeah even like knowingly right like

1125
00:45:03,290 --> 00:45:00,599
imagine you're just uh you're just like

1126
00:45:05,150 --> 00:45:03,300
the the medic that like does uh

1127
00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:05,160
physicals before they go into the

1128
00:45:09,710 --> 00:45:07,020
facility and you're the physical doctor

1129
00:45:11,690 --> 00:45:09,720
and little did you know you processed

1130
00:45:14,210 --> 00:45:11,700
anywhere from ten thousand to eighty

1131
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,220
thousand kids uh you know what I'm

1132
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,560
saying to do some not cool stuff but

1133
00:45:20,030 --> 00:45:18,720
right for the couple years you were

1134
00:45:21,470 --> 00:45:20,040
there dude you didn't know you were just

1135
00:45:24,290 --> 00:45:21,480
taking temperatures

1136
00:45:25,730 --> 00:45:24,300
sure yeah it's compartmentalized and you

1137
00:45:30,050 --> 00:45:25,740
know

1138
00:45:32,089 --> 00:45:30,060
like I could say I

1139
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:32,099
I don't want to believe stuff like this

1140
00:45:36,050 --> 00:45:34,200
happens but it has happened and that's

1141
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,060
what makes me believe that Montauk

1142
00:45:40,730 --> 00:45:38,880
happened outside of that we if you want

1143
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:40,740
to say okay so what evidence is there

1144
00:45:44,809 --> 00:45:43,440
there's a few things but one of the

1145
00:45:46,609 --> 00:45:44,819
things I think the most compelling

1146
00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:46,619
evidence was in the dark files that we

1147
00:45:50,510 --> 00:45:49,380
brought geophysicists to the ground and

1148
00:45:54,050 --> 00:45:50,520
they used something called electric

1149
00:45:56,809 --> 00:45:54,060
resistivity imagery where they found

1150
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:56,819
they really found uh elements of iron

1151
00:46:02,089 --> 00:46:00,240
ore in a giant man-made structure and we

1152
00:46:03,530 --> 00:46:02,099
just had a vertical slice of it so in

1153
00:46:05,809 --> 00:46:03,540
other words there's not supposed to be

1154
00:46:07,609 --> 00:46:05,819
anything down there they may have been

1155
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:07,619
some access tunnels and stuff like that

1156
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:11,280
but that's not what we found we found a

1157
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,160
huge giant structure underneath and that

1158
00:46:18,430 --> 00:46:16,319
was just from floor to ceiling it was 30

1159
00:46:21,410 --> 00:46:18,440
feet so

1160
00:46:23,450 --> 00:46:21,420
so if we were allowed to or you could

1161
00:46:25,490 --> 00:46:23,460
get somebody else to the Montauk base

1162
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:25,500
with the electric resistivity imagery I

1163
00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:28,020
would suggest that you go past the fence

1164
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:31,020
try and find a winter day where no one

1165
00:46:33,650 --> 00:46:32,400
is there and I can tell you some odd

1166
00:46:35,089 --> 00:46:33,660
things that happened when they knew we

1167
00:46:37,550 --> 00:46:35,099
were scheduled to go there with the

1168
00:46:38,270 --> 00:46:37,560
geophysicists all of a sudden out of the

1169
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:38,280
blue

1170
00:46:44,270 --> 00:46:41,220
in in a decade this allegedly has not

1171
00:46:46,130 --> 00:46:44,280
happened and this really happened there

1172
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,140
were all these military scientists

1173
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,240
everywhere at Camp here running some

1174
00:46:52,609 --> 00:46:50,400
kind of test on the soil and we couldn't

1175
00:46:53,930 --> 00:46:52,619
get close to the base I thought you were

1176
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:53,940
gonna say you were all attacked by

1177
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,880
seagulls no I was like waiting on pins

1178
00:47:00,770 --> 00:46:58,800
and he knows he's gonna say it but they

1179
00:47:02,390 --> 00:47:00,780
do have Dan seagulls shirts and Montauk

1180
00:47:05,050 --> 00:47:02,400
that you can get in the attack that's

1181
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:05,060
what I've heard there's

1182
00:47:08,410 --> 00:47:07,260
representations don't carry raw bacon in

1183
00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:08,420
your pocket that's

1184
00:47:14,510 --> 00:47:12,060
awesome that's awesome dude so there was

1185
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:14,520
military scientists there yeah the same

1186
00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:17,280
day y'all were there to do your and it

1187
00:47:21,050 --> 00:47:19,380
wasn't staged by History Channel it was

1188
00:47:23,210 --> 00:47:21,060
just something that we were like I

1189
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:23,220
really you know and they were Drilling

1190
00:47:25,970 --> 00:47:24,480
and they had a whole operation going

1191
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:25,980
because we didn't use too much of that

1192
00:47:30,050 --> 00:47:28,319
footage I mean just a smidge

1193
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:30,060
um but you know we went up to this guy

1194
00:47:33,650 --> 00:47:31,920
what was his name Steve the botanist and

1195
00:47:35,569 --> 00:47:33,660
we were just like he was one of the

1196
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,579
scientists and we were just you know

1197
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:37,200
what's going on here why is everyone

1198
00:47:42,410 --> 00:47:40,200
here today why yeah this is the dead of

1199
00:47:44,510 --> 00:47:42,420
winter middle of nowhere why did you

1200
00:47:46,849 --> 00:47:44,520
schedule it on the same day and we were

1201
00:47:48,410 --> 00:47:46,859
given Hell by the the groundskeepers and

1202
00:47:51,530 --> 00:47:48,420
everything that had already given us

1203
00:47:54,109 --> 00:47:51,540
permits and then I ended up um doing an

1204
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:54,119
episode of Ancient Aliens after that and

1205
00:47:56,930 --> 00:47:55,440
we were supposed to go and do another

1206
00:47:59,870 --> 00:47:56,940
investigation they didn't Grant the

1207
00:48:01,790 --> 00:47:59,880
permits then they granted permits for us

1208
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:01,800
for the first episode of strange World

1209
00:48:06,290 --> 00:48:03,680
which they did for travel and Discovery

1210
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,300
and that was my last time visiting

1211
00:48:10,190 --> 00:48:08,880
Montauk and I suppose they saw in the

1212
00:48:12,170 --> 00:48:10,200
literature that we weren't bringing

1213
00:48:13,730 --> 00:48:12,180
geophysicists this time that we only

1214
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,740
meant to go there and have some

1215
00:48:17,870 --> 00:48:15,119
conversations

1216
00:48:19,490 --> 00:48:17,880
and so they granted the permit

1217
00:48:21,290 --> 00:48:19,500
um so a hundred percent there's

1218
00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:21,300
something to hide there we had the

1219
00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:23,940
evidence for sure and I think if anyone

1220
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,980
wants to continue really investigating

1221
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:27,599
and proving that there's a huge

1222
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:28,800
underground base there because they're

1223
00:48:32,690 --> 00:48:30,720
not going to remove it

1224
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,700
um bring the electric resistivity

1225
00:48:36,589 --> 00:48:34,319
imagery there but they certainly don't

1226
00:48:38,809 --> 00:48:36,599
want anyone to know that's for sure so

1227
00:48:41,569 --> 00:48:38,819
dude I have a question

1228
00:48:44,690 --> 00:48:41,579
yeah here's my conspiracy question right

1229
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:44,700
okay so we you know

1230
00:48:49,309 --> 00:48:47,040
we know that like so a lot of TV shows

1231
00:48:51,650 --> 00:48:49,319
sometimes you know a lot of this UFO

1232
00:48:53,930 --> 00:48:51,660
stuff and a lot of the you know the

1233
00:48:55,849 --> 00:48:53,940
Discovery Channel stuff a lot of it does

1234
00:48:58,550 --> 00:48:55,859
you know we've been told gets filters

1235
00:49:02,569 --> 00:48:58,560
through you know uh

1236
00:49:04,430 --> 00:49:02,579
certain intelligence agencies there's a

1237
00:49:06,890 --> 00:49:04,440
small little filter on monitoring system

1238
00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:06,900
that goes along with it oh I believe it

1239
00:49:10,130 --> 00:49:08,700
um so like when you're doing these shows

1240
00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:10,140
do you ever get the feeling that like

1241
00:49:14,270 --> 00:49:12,180
okay we're doing the show

1242
00:49:16,609 --> 00:49:14,280
I know that there's that guy on the

1243
00:49:18,530 --> 00:49:16,619
inside right we're allowing us to do

1244
00:49:20,270 --> 00:49:18,540
this right they've been releasing stuff

1245
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:20,280
they're allowing people to kind of get a

1246
00:49:24,349 --> 00:49:21,839
little closer to stuff but at the same

1247
00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:24,359
time they're like [\h__\h] they're doing the

1248
00:49:27,170 --> 00:49:26,040
geolocation stuff send a bunch of

1249
00:49:28,910 --> 00:49:27,180
scientists out there we don't want them

1250
00:49:31,130 --> 00:49:28,920
getting too close so like they kind of

1251
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:31,140
have the heads up almost like ahead of

1252
00:49:37,069 --> 00:49:34,079
time with the show existing it's almost

1253
00:49:41,329 --> 00:49:37,079
like a way that they can like uh uh it's

1254
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,339
like a controlled a controlled uh way to

1255
00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:43,680
use media to like kind of show you some

1256
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:46,440
stuff yeah

1257
00:49:51,950 --> 00:49:49,200
yeah I I think

1258
00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:51,960
my shows were granted and and financed

1259
00:49:55,370 --> 00:49:53,640
probably under that same type of

1260
00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:55,380
perspective but I'm a pain in the ass

1261
00:49:59,930 --> 00:49:57,960
because I you know there were moments

1262
00:50:02,930 --> 00:49:59,940
even in the dark files where I had a

1263
00:50:06,530 --> 00:50:02,940
skeptic and the CIA guy Barry Eisler

1264
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,540
both saying to me by the end now do you

1265
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:08,400
realize that this is very far-fetched

1266
00:50:13,730 --> 00:50:11,760
and I'm like no is it is it your idea as

1267
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,740
direct I mean you've directed a couple

1268
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:15,359
projects and I'm not sure your position

1269
00:50:20,329 --> 00:50:18,240
on some of these uh TV programs that

1270
00:50:23,870 --> 00:50:20,339
you've been a part of uh but is it your

1271
00:50:26,750 --> 00:50:23,880
decision to add the uh counter like the

1272
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:26,760
the skeptic or the scientist yeah yeah I

1273
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,280
you know I and I we we look through a

1274
00:50:33,470 --> 00:50:31,680
lot of people one of the guys we we had

1275
00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:33,480
up because I met with a lot of people

1276
00:50:37,970 --> 00:50:35,640
before because I was a co-executive and

1277
00:50:39,290 --> 00:50:37,980
I had a lot of influence on the details

1278
00:50:40,190 --> 00:50:39,300
of the project brought a lot of people

1279
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,200
in

1280
00:50:44,930 --> 00:50:42,720
and so they they knew I was the center

1281
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:44,940
of it the whole time as a as a co-host

1282
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:46,800
and I wasn't always going to be a host I

1283
00:50:50,809 --> 00:50:49,200
came in as a as a producer

1284
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:50,819
um but then I ended up being the co-host

1285
00:50:55,609 --> 00:50:53,760
and that's what led to Strange World

1286
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,619
um so

1287
00:51:00,049 --> 00:50:57,359
they would you know like you know Tim

1288
00:51:01,730 --> 00:51:00,059
Poole uh he was one of the guys I spoke

1289
00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:01,740
to there were a whole bunch of people

1290
00:51:06,410 --> 00:51:04,020
there was one journalist woman who was

1291
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,420
being really rude and I was like I don't

1292
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:08,400
want to do a show with you and so it

1293
00:51:14,210 --> 00:51:11,760
ended up being Steve and Barry uh and we

1294
00:51:17,329 --> 00:51:14,220
mostly got along well and I'm op see the

1295
00:51:19,970 --> 00:51:17,339
thing is I'm I have enough self uh

1296
00:51:21,890 --> 00:51:19,980
propelled skepticism I don't want to

1297
00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:21,900
believe in these conspiracies but I'm

1298
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:23,400
sorry I'm not going to turn a blind eye

1299
00:51:29,089 --> 00:51:26,160
to something when you have Alan hornblum

1300
00:51:31,609 --> 00:51:29,099
telling you a hundred percent this stuff

1301
00:51:34,370 --> 00:51:31,619
is real and then we have geophysicists

1302
00:51:36,349 --> 00:51:34,380
finding huge structures underneath and

1303
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:36,359
certain things just don't add up like I

1304
00:51:41,150 --> 00:51:38,880
personally believe Timothy Leary and

1305
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:41,160
I'll tell you why was involved in the

1306
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,500
mind control experiments why do I

1307
00:51:47,450 --> 00:51:45,599
believe this because we have videos of

1308
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:47,460
him chumming it up with MK Ultra

1309
00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:49,440
scientists and hanging out and drinking

1310
00:51:54,620 --> 00:51:52,020
cognac by the fire and laughing where do

1311
00:51:55,020 --> 00:51:54,630
you think he got all of the barrels

1312
00:52:02,109 --> 00:51:55,030
[Music]

1313
00:52:07,790 --> 00:52:05,030
he was the biggest influencer of the 60s

1314
00:52:09,890 --> 00:52:07,800
man like acid tests like they were

1315
00:52:11,390 --> 00:52:09,900
called acid tests why do you think he

1316
00:52:13,069 --> 00:52:11,400
did that think about it for a second

1317
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:13,079
this was something that's mind control

1318
00:52:19,390 --> 00:52:16,559
yeah so they control they control

1319
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:19,400
everybody in the 60s and 70s

1320
00:52:25,069 --> 00:52:22,559
yeah they did they were proposed

1321
00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:25,079
um promoting him as a love and peace

1322
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:28,260
Guru and I'm not I don't know any all I

1323
00:52:32,089 --> 00:52:30,240
know is it's all speculation we're just

1324
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,099
going off well we can see

1325
00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:34,319
there there's a ruse going on and it's

1326
00:52:37,609 --> 00:52:36,119
been going on for a long time and I'm

1327
00:52:40,250 --> 00:52:37,619
not once again I'm not one of these

1328
00:52:42,410 --> 00:52:40,260
people who just is salivating for a

1329
00:52:44,329 --> 00:52:42,420
conspiracy I'm not at all I have a lot

1330
00:52:46,609 --> 00:52:44,339
of other interests

1331
00:52:48,650 --> 00:52:46,619
um but I'm sorry I just can't turn a

1332
00:52:50,089 --> 00:52:48,660
blind eye to putting all of this

1333
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:50,099
together and realizing that there's

1334
00:52:55,370 --> 00:52:51,839
something much heavier going on and has

1335
00:52:58,849 --> 00:52:56,750
so I just wanted to bring up something

1336
00:53:01,010 --> 00:52:58,859
before we move on to the the next idea

1337
00:53:03,170 --> 00:53:01,020
but we were talking about like the the

1338
00:53:06,170 --> 00:53:03,180
individuals that were maybe a part of

1339
00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:06,180
the Montauk program maybe they were like

1340
00:53:11,450 --> 00:53:08,520
the nurse right like on staff nurse

1341
00:53:13,730 --> 00:53:11,460
everybody's liable being a part of this

1342
00:53:16,609 --> 00:53:13,740
conspiracy and this horrible thing that

1343
00:53:18,650 --> 00:53:16,619
happened uh I I just wanted to reference

1344
00:53:21,230 --> 00:53:18,660
real quick just to have it and in

1345
00:53:24,170 --> 00:53:21,240
everybody's mind uh the Stanford Prison

1346
00:53:26,329 --> 00:53:24,180
Experiment uh they didn't have a gun to

1347
00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:26,339
their head they didn't have a pension or

1348
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:27,920
or uh

1349
00:53:32,750 --> 00:53:30,480
money above their head they were

1350
00:53:34,910 --> 00:53:32,760
students in this Stanford it's a very

1351
00:53:38,030 --> 00:53:34,920
famous uh experiment do you guys know

1352
00:53:40,730 --> 00:53:38,040
about this no I'm not very well versed

1353
00:53:44,750 --> 00:53:40,740
in it okay oh my gosh it's awesome so uh

1354
00:53:46,970 --> 00:53:44,760
uh 1971 there was a a an experiment done

1355
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:46,980
by the professor at Stanford where they

1356
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:50,640
he took a group of uh college students

1357
00:53:56,270 --> 00:53:53,040
at Stanford and set up this experiment

1358
00:53:58,190 --> 00:53:56,280
where half of the class would become

1359
00:54:00,589 --> 00:53:58,200
prison guards and the other half would

1360
00:54:02,329 --> 00:54:00,599
become prisoners he built like this

1361
00:54:04,130 --> 00:54:02,339
whole thing this whole jail like this

1362
00:54:05,630 --> 00:54:04,140
fake jail but they actually the

1363
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:05,640
prisoners could not get out of their

1364
00:54:10,010 --> 00:54:08,160
jail cells and they did this for for a

1365
00:54:11,390 --> 00:54:10,020
period of time it's been a while since

1366
00:54:14,930 --> 00:54:11,400
I've actually read up on the the

1367
00:54:17,089 --> 00:54:14,940
specifics but uh they did it at least

1368
00:54:18,650 --> 00:54:17,099
for a few days and within a certain

1369
00:54:21,410 --> 00:54:18,660
amount of time

1370
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:21,420
the prisoners became they took on this

1371
00:54:25,309 --> 00:54:23,040
role like they were given no prompts

1372
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:25,319
they were just saying hey don't let the

1373
00:54:30,890 --> 00:54:28,400
prisoners out of their prisons

1374
00:54:32,569 --> 00:54:30,900
no matter what they say and the

1375
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:32,579
prisoners were told look you're gonna

1376
00:54:39,290 --> 00:54:36,240
have uh you know food uh brought to you

1377
00:54:42,890 --> 00:54:39,300
but you know don't don't ask to be uh

1378
00:54:44,750 --> 00:54:42,900
released and immediately like within a

1379
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,760
few hours like I want to say like eight

1380
00:54:48,170 --> 00:54:46,559
hours like they took away clocks there's

1381
00:54:49,089 --> 00:54:48,180
no windows so they don't know what time

1382
00:54:53,390 --> 00:54:49,099
it is

1383
00:54:55,490 --> 00:54:53,400
uh very me it's a very interesting uh

1384
00:54:57,950 --> 00:54:55,500
experiment it's kind of like outlawed

1385
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:57,960
now because everyone just fell into

1386
00:55:02,510 --> 00:55:00,240
their social roles they were told what

1387
00:55:04,370 --> 00:55:02,520
to do what to think there are reasons

1388
00:55:07,609 --> 00:55:04,380
for these things because they're meant

1389
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,619
eventually to be put into play and you

1390
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:09,359
know there's always a reason for an

1391
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:11,280
experiment whether where they're testing

1392
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:12,960
drugs right you know this but it's just

1393
00:55:17,390 --> 00:55:14,880
like these psychological experiments are

1394
00:55:20,930 --> 00:55:17,400
not just meant to be a footnote in some

1395
00:55:22,609 --> 00:55:20,940
some journal they're meant to be used in

1396
00:55:26,270 --> 00:55:22,619
one way or another that's why they're

1397
00:55:28,010 --> 00:55:26,280
financed that's why they're there and

1398
00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:28,020
um you know we we all have our own

1399
00:55:32,569 --> 00:55:29,880
worlds to deal with there's life is hard

1400
00:55:34,490 --> 00:55:32,579
enough to sit here and get upset over

1401
00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:34,500
all this stuff but

1402
00:55:39,950 --> 00:55:37,140
I believe right now it's spilled over

1403
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:39,960
into our world into our world you know

1404
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:42,960
like yeah it's it's all over us right

1405
00:55:47,569 --> 00:55:45,599
now and nobody you know there's a lot of

1406
00:55:49,490 --> 00:55:47,579
reverse psychology going on right now

1407
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:49,500
and then the minute you start to become

1408
00:55:53,150 --> 00:55:51,839
privy of the reverse psychology the

1409
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:53,160
people who were putting it out there

1410
00:55:57,230 --> 00:55:55,680
want to shame you or self-shame you for

1411
00:55:58,730 --> 00:55:57,240
it you got to be careful of that you

1412
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:58,740
know like because that's part of the

1413
00:56:02,690 --> 00:56:00,240
control that you're talking about it's

1414
00:56:04,130 --> 00:56:02,700
like wait a second this doesn't seem

1415
00:56:06,349 --> 00:56:04,140
right to me I'm going to question this

1416
00:56:09,170 --> 00:56:06,359
the minute you question it then you have

1417
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,180
a legion of people like Invasion of the

1418
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:11,040
Body Snatchers trying to shame you for

1419
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:13,440
it and it's like no hold on a minute you

1420
00:56:19,069 --> 00:56:17,280
know it's the uh the agent Smith uh yeah

1421
00:56:21,049 --> 00:56:19,079
have you have you all heard about that

1422
00:56:24,109 --> 00:56:21,059
this this this idea that it's called the

1423
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,119
agent Smith uh Syndrome from the movie

1424
00:56:29,329 --> 00:56:26,640
Matrix Matrix yeah yeah it's like as

1425
00:56:31,130 --> 00:56:29,339
soon as you tell me about it I I don't

1426
00:56:34,609 --> 00:56:31,140
honestly I'm probably gonna screw this

1427
00:56:37,490 --> 00:56:34,619
up but as soon as you as somebody quote

1428
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:37,500
unquote awakens your not only your ego

1429
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:39,119
but the people around you even your

1430
00:56:44,450 --> 00:56:42,480
loved ones and friends tell you no they

1431
00:56:46,010 --> 00:56:44,460
get so mad it's not just oh that's a

1432
00:56:47,569 --> 00:56:46,020
terrible idea they just tell you like no

1433
00:56:50,329 --> 00:56:47,579
you're a terrible person why would you

1434
00:56:52,370 --> 00:56:50,339
ever think of that like sure sure

1435
00:56:54,410 --> 00:56:52,380
there's like these ideas and Notions

1436
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:54,420
that if you come up with if you share

1437
00:56:58,370 --> 00:56:55,920
them out loud in public with your family

1438
00:57:00,770 --> 00:56:58,380
and friends or specific ones

1439
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,780
it's like a program political or

1440
00:57:03,530 --> 00:57:02,160
whatever but like

1441
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:03,540
we all know what we're talking about

1442
00:57:08,930 --> 00:57:06,960
right yeah if you accept that these

1443
00:57:10,970 --> 00:57:08,940
things are very possible and have

1444
00:57:13,069 --> 00:57:10,980
happened for a long time I mean you know

1445
00:57:14,750 --> 00:57:13,079
it was done in World War II it was done

1446
00:57:19,370 --> 00:57:14,760
before that

1447
00:57:22,430 --> 00:57:19,380
um it was done by Emperors and kings and

1448
00:57:25,130 --> 00:57:22,440
you know guards and and military leaders

1449
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:25,140
since forever so once you're aware of

1450
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:25,920
that

1451
00:57:34,010 --> 00:57:30,960
exist you know and then you become less

1452
00:57:36,290 --> 00:57:34,020
susceptible to it in my opinion

1453
00:57:38,089 --> 00:57:36,300
um the way the world is going to go in

1454
00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:38,099
the next few years I don't know we might

1455
00:57:42,410 --> 00:57:39,900
see some weird stuff I mean you've seen

1456
00:57:45,170 --> 00:57:42,420
the admission of uh the flying purple

1457
00:57:48,049 --> 00:57:45,180
people eaters right now from uh from the

1458
00:57:51,410 --> 00:57:48,059
news or the UFOs yeah that they're real

1459
00:57:52,790 --> 00:57:51,420
right they all of the main people in the

1460
00:57:54,290 --> 00:57:52,800
government that have talked about this

1461
00:57:58,190 --> 00:57:54,300
have said

1462
00:58:00,890 --> 00:57:58,200
all we can say is that it's not of any

1463
00:58:03,049 --> 00:58:00,900
kind of human technological origin well

1464
00:58:04,250 --> 00:58:03,059
all right what do you think that means

1465
00:58:06,410 --> 00:58:04,260
you know

1466
00:58:07,849 --> 00:58:06,420
from somewhere else and we don't know

1467
00:58:09,530 --> 00:58:07,859
what it is but at least they're

1468
00:58:11,630 --> 00:58:09,540
admitting it now that it's real but the

1469
00:58:13,849 --> 00:58:11,640
fact that they're admitting it is

1470
00:58:16,370 --> 00:58:13,859
usually they're about 10 steps or more

1471
00:58:18,290 --> 00:58:16,380
ahead of us on the news of these things

1472
00:58:19,970 --> 00:58:18,300
they've known about this for years why

1473
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:19,980
are they telling us now

1474
00:58:22,849 --> 00:58:21,599
you know are we going to see something

1475
00:58:25,370 --> 00:58:22,859
soon

1476
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:25,380
so dude yeah I'm on board with that yes

1477
00:58:31,370 --> 00:58:29,760
I also think like I wonder you know

1478
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,380
I'd assume they've gotten pretty good

1479
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,359
with computers by this point right you

1480
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:35,280
know they there's certain people who do

1481
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:36,960
have these quantum computers and these

1482
00:58:42,170 --> 00:58:38,760
super computers and when they say that

1483
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:42,180
these things aren't man-made I wonder if

1484
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:46,559
it's because it it was machine made but

1485
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:48,960
the idea also came from maybe the

1486
00:58:54,289 --> 00:58:50,880
quantum computer maybe it figured out

1487
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:54,299
how you're able to do this and then it

1488
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:56,160
got sent to like a warehouse and then

1489
00:58:59,390 --> 00:58:57,839
the machines put it together the way it

1490
00:59:01,370 --> 00:58:59,400
needs to be put together and that's

1491
00:59:03,170 --> 00:59:01,380
their plausible deniability behind them

1492
00:59:05,089 --> 00:59:03,180
saying yeah it's not man-made it's not

1493
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:05,099
it's not from here I guarantee you China

1494
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:06,720
didn't make it they made the machines

1495
00:59:11,930 --> 00:59:09,359
that made it that that could be a

1496
00:59:13,970 --> 00:59:11,940
hundred percent and then again it could

1497
00:59:16,010 --> 00:59:13,980
be another ruse another form of

1498
00:59:17,450 --> 00:59:16,020
distraction another form of control what

1499
00:59:19,549 --> 00:59:17,460
are we going to do everybody stay inside

1500
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:19,559
for another four years because the

1501
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:21,920
aliens are hovering in the clouds

1502
00:59:31,609 --> 00:59:29,390
there's a political tactic and I don't

1503
00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:31,619
know the term uh because I'm not a

1504
00:59:36,589 --> 00:59:34,260
politician uh but it's it's it's

1505
00:59:38,930 --> 00:59:36,599
something really catchy but what the

1506
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:38,940
tactic is if you have something to cover

1507
00:59:43,010 --> 00:59:40,799
up say there's there's a bad rumor or

1508
00:59:45,650 --> 00:59:43,020
something that you don't want a specific

1509
00:59:47,870 --> 00:59:45,660
uh region to know about like maybe their

1510
00:59:50,510 --> 00:59:47,880
their gas bills are gonna you know

1511
00:59:52,250 --> 00:59:50,520
increase what you do is you just flood

1512
00:59:53,569 --> 00:59:52,260
the market of information with a bunch

1513
00:59:56,690 --> 00:59:53,579
of [\h__\h]

1514
00:59:59,329 --> 00:59:56,700
and people don't know what to think it's

1515
01:00:01,549 --> 00:59:59,339
it's like overwhelming so you you can

1516
01:00:02,809 --> 01:00:01,559
apply that same logic to literally

1517
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:02,819
anything

1518
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:06,000
and they're that that's a blatant form

1519
01:00:10,130 --> 01:00:08,160
of control right like sure somebody's

1520
01:00:11,690 --> 01:00:10,140
behind putting out all this stuff like

1521
01:00:14,450 --> 01:00:11,700
all this yeah disinformation

1522
01:00:16,430 --> 01:00:14,460
misinformation we're seeing it right in

1523
01:00:18,770 --> 01:00:16,440
front of our our eyes at like every

1524
01:00:22,370 --> 01:00:18,780
moment like it kind of touches

1525
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:22,380
everything from from politics to to uh

1526
01:00:26,770 --> 01:00:24,720
environmental thing uh that kind of

1527
01:00:30,109 --> 01:00:26,780
touches everything too but like

1528
01:00:32,329 --> 01:00:30,119
people later like there's a lot of

1529
01:00:34,670 --> 01:00:32,339
information being pushed at us right now

1530
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:34,680
and there's a lot of just distractions

1531
01:00:37,789 --> 01:00:36,720
which means that hey boys we're getting

1532
01:00:40,730 --> 01:00:37,799
close

1533
01:00:43,549 --> 01:00:40,740
yeah I think so too I think so too and

1534
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:43,559
and so on one end of it it could be a

1535
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:45,599
glorious time wow how interesting this

1536
01:00:49,250 --> 01:00:47,280
is you know we get to live through all

1537
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:49,260
of this and witness this

1538
01:00:53,809 --> 01:00:52,079
and then um the other side of it is well

1539
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:53,819
how far are they going to go what's the

1540
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:56,640
end game what are they planning I would

1541
01:01:01,789 --> 01:01:00,000
say don't try not to get too upset like

1542
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:01,799
I said before you know focus on the

1543
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:04,079
things that make you happy every day and

1544
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:05,760
if this stuff is interesting to you then

1545
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:07,920
focus on this a little bit too but don't

1546
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:09,599
get lost in it that's the last thing

1547
01:01:13,130 --> 01:01:11,280
anyone needs I've met people along the

1548
01:01:15,650 --> 01:01:13,140
way that are so lost in it it's it's

1549
01:01:17,690 --> 01:01:15,660
quite a detriment to their lives they

1550
01:01:20,569 --> 01:01:17,700
you know and then they go to these Guru

1551
01:01:22,970 --> 01:01:20,579
types and uh I won't say the guru's name

1552
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:22,980
but there was a gentleman I met who the

1553
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,200
guru said as long as you sit in a copper

1554
01:01:29,390 --> 01:01:27,359
pyramid for four hours out of the day

1555
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,400
every day you're gonna get to fight the

1556
01:01:34,430 --> 01:01:31,920
Illuminati and so this guy unfortunately

1557
01:01:36,049 --> 01:01:34,440
sat in the copper pyramid every day you

1558
01:01:39,710 --> 01:01:36,059
know like and yeah that's how you

1559
01:01:41,809 --> 01:01:39,720
increase your fear I say this might be a

1560
01:01:43,849 --> 01:01:41,819
silly reference but remember when at the

1561
01:01:46,730 --> 01:01:43,859
end of a nightmare in Elm Street when uh

1562
01:01:49,250 --> 01:01:46,740
Nancy how she got rid of Freddy Krueger

1563
01:01:51,470 --> 01:01:49,260
she said you're nothing you're you're

1564
01:01:52,970 --> 01:01:51,480
[\h__\h] and he disappears that's how she

1565
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:52,980
beat him at the end

1566
01:01:58,730 --> 01:01:54,960
take the power away

1567
01:02:00,349 --> 01:01:58,740
so take even the act of of uh pushing

1568
01:02:03,530 --> 01:02:00,359
something away is still giving something

1569
01:02:07,069 --> 01:02:03,540
energy right right not just to be like

1570
01:02:09,530 --> 01:02:07,079
perfect yeah no I know you exist but I

1571
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:09,540
have I'm busy like even like in the in

1572
01:02:14,089 --> 01:02:12,240
like the the like Poltergeist realm of

1573
01:02:16,849 --> 01:02:14,099
things you know they say like sometimes

1574
01:02:18,829 --> 01:02:16,859
when you you know when you put crosses

1575
01:02:20,930 --> 01:02:18,839
up or you hang up like you know dream

1576
01:02:23,150 --> 01:02:20,940
catchers and things like you think

1577
01:02:25,250 --> 01:02:23,160
you're doing a good thing but in reality

1578
01:02:28,190 --> 01:02:25,260
you're almost challenging stuff right

1579
01:02:29,809 --> 01:02:28,200
right you give it more power by doing

1580
01:02:31,849 --> 01:02:29,819
that yeah you're challenging it and

1581
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:31,859
you're giving it more energy

1582
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:35,280
and that and that that could have a very

1583
01:02:42,349 --> 01:02:38,880
uh scientific analysis as it's

1584
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:42,359
as its final definition and how to deal

1585
01:02:47,150 --> 01:02:44,880
with it because it could be studied on a

1586
01:02:49,849 --> 01:02:47,160
Quantum level like you just said and so

1587
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:49,859
maybe in in quantum physics somehow it

1588
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:52,319
could be analyzed and if you focus on

1589
01:02:55,970 --> 01:02:54,000
something too much you're giving it too

1590
01:02:59,390 --> 01:02:55,980
much power and it becomes a detriment to

1591
01:03:02,150 --> 01:02:59,400
you if you acknowledge it but don't give

1592
01:03:03,710 --> 01:03:02,160
it any power you know perhaps that's the

1593
01:03:05,349 --> 01:03:03,720
way to deal with all of this if there is

1594
01:03:08,569 --> 01:03:05,359
any mind control and I believe there is

1595
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:08,579
just know that it exists and continue to

1596
01:03:11,930 --> 01:03:10,319
do the things that make you happy that's

1597
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:11,940
how I feel

1598
01:03:16,910 --> 01:03:13,680
you know I wanna I wanna just comment

1599
01:03:19,309 --> 01:03:16,920
here uh I think everybody's like hard uh

1600
01:03:21,230 --> 01:03:19,319
bent over let's fight figure out the

1601
01:03:23,870 --> 01:03:21,240
science the data the science

1602
01:03:25,250 --> 01:03:23,880
isn't social science a thing that we've

1603
01:03:27,289 --> 01:03:25,260
known about for a really long time that

1604
01:03:29,630 --> 01:03:27,299
we could predict uh human behaviors and

1605
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:29,640
and social economic uh economic

1606
01:03:36,109 --> 01:03:33,599
constructs like this has an effect on

1607
01:03:39,289 --> 01:03:36,119
this the phenomenon has an effect on our

1608
01:03:42,410 --> 01:03:39,299
cultural socionate very economical uh

1609
01:03:45,650 --> 01:03:42,420
ecosystem so are we looking at the wrong

1610
01:03:48,109 --> 01:03:45,660
data here like these public hearings

1611
01:03:50,210 --> 01:03:48,119
were we looking at at uh things you can

1612
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:50,220
pick up with a sensor or can we look

1613
01:03:54,770 --> 01:03:52,079
maybe maybe the focus should be directed

1614
01:03:56,329 --> 01:03:54,780
on people on us right like the

1615
01:03:58,670 --> 01:03:56,339
experiences or people that are

1616
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:58,680
interested in this this topic maybe that

1617
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:00,720
might be more beneficial to figuring out

1618
01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:03,359
the truth right sure well a lot of them

1619
01:04:07,870 --> 01:04:05,280
have done

1620
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:07,880
good and I think some of them

1621
01:04:12,069 --> 01:04:10,079
unfortunately are like I had said

1622
01:04:14,930 --> 01:04:12,079
earlier maybe they're not deliberately

1623
01:04:17,210 --> 01:04:14,940
charlatans but some of them love

1624
01:04:19,609 --> 01:04:17,220
it's almost like role-playing like you

1625
01:04:21,530 --> 01:04:19,619
know kids like we have we imagine things

1626
01:04:23,870 --> 01:04:21,540
and we want we want to be part of

1627
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:23,880
something greater and they're bored and

1628
01:04:28,730 --> 01:04:25,200
so they amplify things that have

1629
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:28,740
happened I mean I had I I guess I play

1630
01:04:33,049 --> 01:04:30,720
it down but I had an experience when I

1631
01:04:35,569 --> 01:04:33,059
was around 14 where

1632
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:35,579
I woke up at a friend's house and I was

1633
01:04:39,710 --> 01:04:38,160
hearing this Whispering I can never at

1634
01:04:42,289 --> 01:04:39,720
the time I was like oh his house was

1635
01:04:44,750 --> 01:04:42,299
haunted but since then I'm like well

1636
01:04:47,150 --> 01:04:44,760
what was that could that have been some

1637
01:04:49,549 --> 01:04:47,160
local agency on where I lived in New

1638
01:04:51,710 --> 01:04:49,559
York testing one of those devices and I

1639
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:51,720
ended up being a just a civilian Target

1640
01:04:56,750 --> 01:04:54,960
you know it could be if you go to the

1641
01:05:00,410 --> 01:04:56,760
Doris biker story

1642
01:05:01,609 --> 01:05:00,420
from the 70s and if you're not aware of

1643
01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:01,619
it they made a movie with Barbara

1644
01:05:06,349 --> 01:05:04,319
Hershey called The Entity and it was a

1645
01:05:09,170 --> 01:05:06,359
woman who was physically and sexually

1646
01:05:11,809 --> 01:05:09,180
abused by this invisible force it's in

1647
01:05:15,289 --> 01:05:11,819
it and it was analyzed by one of the

1648
01:05:17,390 --> 01:05:15,299
only parapsychology groups at UCLA in

1649
01:05:20,690 --> 01:05:17,400
the early 70s they had a lab it was ran

1650
01:05:23,630 --> 01:05:20,700
by Dr Thelma moss and Dr Barry Taff

1651
01:05:25,069 --> 01:05:23,640
and they went to This Woman's house her

1652
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:25,079
name was Doris beither her name was

1653
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:26,880
different in the movie

1654
01:05:33,230 --> 01:05:29,760
and um she said she was being attacked

1655
01:05:35,690 --> 01:05:33,240
and raped by some force a ghost whatever

1656
01:05:37,970 --> 01:05:35,700
it was but could that have been some

1657
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:37,980
kind of Technology being used even then

1658
01:05:43,809 --> 01:05:40,559
you know because again they want they

1659
01:05:47,390 --> 01:05:43,819
want human subjects well what would stop

1660
01:05:49,970 --> 01:05:47,400
that facet whoever invented it that deep

1661
01:05:53,690 --> 01:05:49,980
program of saying let's just pinpoint

1662
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:53,700
some single mom in California and try it

1663
01:05:58,609 --> 01:05:55,920
and see what happens you know

1664
01:06:00,950 --> 01:05:58,619
what would stop them you know they they

1665
01:06:02,690 --> 01:06:00,960
were experimenting I mean the Tuskegee

1666
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:02,700
medical experiments they went to these

1667
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:05,280
these gentlemen said oh we have free

1668
01:06:09,170 --> 01:06:06,720
medical care for you and they were

1669
01:06:11,930 --> 01:06:09,180
injecting them with syphilis to see what

1670
01:06:14,450 --> 01:06:11,940
happens giving it to their families yeah

1671
01:06:17,089 --> 01:06:14,460
man yeah that really happened yeah yeah

1672
01:06:18,410 --> 01:06:17,099
and it was it's been proven about

1673
01:06:20,809 --> 01:06:18,420
it

1674
01:06:22,849 --> 01:06:20,819
so I'm saying if the technology exists

1675
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:22,859
why wouldn't they they'll just use it

1676
01:06:26,690 --> 01:06:24,720
the same way yeah let's just use it on

1677
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:26,700
some people and it's so scary too

1678
01:06:30,829 --> 01:06:28,160
because like

1679
01:06:33,289 --> 01:06:30,839
literally while we're here talking like

1680
01:06:35,809 --> 01:06:33,299
the infrastructure could be going up and

1681
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:35,819
you would never know it you know I mean

1682
01:06:39,289 --> 01:06:37,200
you look at the way that like they

1683
01:06:40,849 --> 01:06:39,299
disguise things now like little towers

1684
01:06:42,829 --> 01:06:40,859
and stuff that make them look like palm

1685
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:42,839
trees and stuff like that you know like

1686
01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:45,440
it's amazing like if there is like

1687
01:06:50,270 --> 01:06:47,520
infrastructure that needs to be put up

1688
01:06:52,609 --> 01:06:50,280
they could very easily do it not not

1689
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:52,619
just because like you know hey we're

1690
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:54,240
trying to be secretive and make it look

1691
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:56,640
like a palm tree but like we literally

1692
01:07:00,529 --> 01:06:58,799
wouldn't know if they were if there was

1693
01:07:02,150 --> 01:07:00,539
just some guys in a truck putting up a

1694
01:07:03,230 --> 01:07:02,160
tower in your neighborhood you would

1695
01:07:04,670 --> 01:07:03,240
never know you don't know what that is

1696
01:07:06,829 --> 01:07:04,680
you drive by stuff like that all the

1697
01:07:10,609 --> 01:07:06,839
time you know sure and think about

1698
01:07:12,589 --> 01:07:10,619
what's coming next uh so Elon Musk

1699
01:07:14,690 --> 01:07:12,599
has invented something or his company

1700
01:07:16,130 --> 01:07:14,700
and all of these great scientists that

1701
01:07:19,609 --> 01:07:16,140
work with him invented something called

1702
01:07:21,950 --> 01:07:19,619
neuralink and that's meant to stimulate

1703
01:07:24,109 --> 01:07:21,960
certain disorders uh

1704
01:07:26,450 --> 01:07:24,119
cure certain things perhaps to fix

1705
01:07:30,890 --> 01:07:26,460
things that are wrong in the brain and

1706
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:30,900
motor function but also you get to just

1707
01:07:35,450 --> 01:07:32,880
because you think of a song you can hear

1708
01:07:37,789 --> 01:07:35,460
it in your head like and it pumps into

1709
01:07:44,650 --> 01:07:37,799
the internet and you automatically get

1710
01:07:49,069 --> 01:07:46,549
that's how they're going to sell it to

1711
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:49,079
us and that it's going to end up like

1712
01:07:52,609 --> 01:07:50,880
The Matrix and then once you but and

1713
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:52,619
it's just a minor surgery you're in and

1714
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:54,240
out the same day you're spending only

1715
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:56,880
2500 and you get this thing drilled into

1716
01:08:02,089 --> 01:07:59,280
your skull and now that we have

1717
01:08:03,950 --> 01:08:02,099
neuralink in our skulls where do you see

1718
01:08:05,930 --> 01:08:03,960
this going eventually I'm just waiting

1719
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:05,940
for like the uh possible side effects

1720
01:08:14,349 --> 01:08:11,770
[Laughter]

1721
01:08:16,610 --> 01:08:14,359
wearing old t-shirts over and over again

1722
01:08:19,490 --> 01:08:16,620
advertisements in your dreams

1723
01:08:22,970 --> 01:08:19,500
yeah man you wake up very hungry for

1724
01:08:25,249 --> 01:08:22,980
Taco Bell slowly becoming a cyborg dude

1725
01:08:26,930 --> 01:08:25,259
I totally want a Mexican pizza

1726
01:08:28,490 --> 01:08:26,940
and when you every now you every time

1727
01:08:30,130 --> 01:08:28,500
you lay down and go to sleep your eyes

1728
01:08:32,689 --> 01:08:30,140
just stay open

1729
01:08:35,630 --> 01:08:32,699
I can't sleep anymore you start becoming

1730
01:08:37,490 --> 01:08:35,640
a machine oh I'm not getting that thing

1731
01:08:39,890 --> 01:08:37,500
I'm not doing it that's called becoming

1732
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:39,900
that's called becoming a parent dude no

1733
01:08:44,809 --> 01:08:42,000
way dude it's weird because like you

1734
01:08:46,970 --> 01:08:44,819
know our kids our kids are gonna be like

1735
01:08:49,370 --> 01:08:46,980
uh okay I gotta get my neural link

1736
01:08:51,289 --> 01:08:49,380
tomorrow and you're gonna be like

1737
01:08:53,930 --> 01:08:51,299
shouldn't do that like man you guys are

1738
01:08:55,249 --> 01:08:53,940
so old everybody has a neural link you

1739
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:55,259
know it's like we're gonna be like those

1740
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:56,880
old people that didn't want cell phones

1741
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:59,520
that still don't want cell phones like

1742
01:09:03,229 --> 01:09:00,719
they're like I don't need that

1743
01:09:04,729 --> 01:09:03,239
technology I'll do it just fine like

1744
01:09:07,070 --> 01:09:04,739
we'll get we'll have to neural link

1745
01:09:09,530 --> 01:09:07,080
because it's like it we will have to do

1746
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:09,540
it in order to get a job right yeah you

1747
01:09:12,849 --> 01:09:10,799
know because we can't retire at the age

1748
01:09:15,289 --> 01:09:12,859
of 65 anymore like that's gonna happen

1749
01:09:17,930 --> 01:09:15,299
so you're gonna need to update right

1750
01:09:20,510 --> 01:09:17,940
like yeah like a WordPress site if you

1751
01:09:22,849 --> 01:09:20,520
update your your uh Page Builder and

1752
01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:22,859
it's like an older remnants like you

1753
01:09:27,169 --> 01:09:25,199
could [\h__\h] up your entire website like

1754
01:09:28,970 --> 01:09:27,179
your grandkids are going to be like Dad

1755
01:09:30,650 --> 01:09:28,980
why don't you just you know Grandpa why

1756
01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:30,660
don't you just get neural link God he

1757
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:33,839
still Googles everything like you know

1758
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:35,279
it's gonna be like that you're like dude

1759
01:09:39,470 --> 01:09:36,960
you still Google [\h__\h] and you're gonna

1760
01:09:41,090 --> 01:09:39,480
be like yeah when all the kids are gonna

1761
01:09:43,370 --> 01:09:41,100
it's gonna be like Invasion of the Body

1762
01:09:44,809 --> 01:09:43,380
Snatchers or Village of the Damned did

1763
01:09:46,729 --> 01:09:44,819
you ever see that everyone's gonna be

1764
01:09:48,769 --> 01:09:46,739
just because all right so now that you

1765
01:09:49,970 --> 01:09:48,779
have this port stuck in your head with

1766
01:09:50,990 --> 01:09:49,980
this thing that's hooked up to the

1767
01:09:53,450 --> 01:09:51,000
Internet

1768
01:09:55,490 --> 01:09:53,460
at that point is it going to be easy if

1769
01:09:58,610 --> 01:09:55,500
there was some major conspiracy going on

1770
01:10:00,650 --> 01:09:58,620
of Mind Control how easy is that going

1771
01:10:02,330 --> 01:10:00,660
to be at that point once they once they

1772
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:02,340
sell it to us and they're going to sell

1773
01:10:04,490 --> 01:10:03,360
it to us it's going to be like the

1774
01:10:06,050 --> 01:10:04,500
Matrix I mean because there's probably

1775
01:10:07,970 --> 01:10:06,060
going to be a version of virtual reality

1776
01:10:10,729 --> 01:10:07,980
inside the neuralink and all of that

1777
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:10,739
once that's done forget it you know yeah

1778
01:10:16,729 --> 01:10:12,960
I I think we're we're talking about like

1779
01:10:19,250 --> 01:10:16,739
like biblical biblical uh archetypes of

1780
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:19,260
accepting something we're like you have

1781
01:10:24,350 --> 01:10:21,840
to sign the agreement to get the numeral

1782
01:10:26,810 --> 01:10:24,360
link and just to get that download and

1783
01:10:29,330 --> 01:10:26,820
that update like that's that's the test

1784
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:29,340
of humanity like oh you could you could

1785
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:31,440
live as a turtle

1786
01:10:35,330 --> 01:10:32,880
well how do you feel about science

1787
01:10:37,130 --> 01:10:35,340
fiction predicting I mean they're

1788
01:10:38,689 --> 01:10:37,140
profits right prophets became science

1789
01:10:40,669 --> 01:10:38,699
fiction writers or horror writers

1790
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:40,679
Stephen King yeah or one of them how do

1791
01:10:44,450 --> 01:10:41,760
you feel about them actually being

1792
01:10:47,209 --> 01:10:44,460
modern day prophets they everything they

1793
01:10:48,590 --> 01:10:47,219
wrote is coming true it really is who is

1794
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:48,600
that it really is who's that dude

1795
01:10:53,570 --> 01:10:51,840
talking about the uh the the uh the

1796
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:53,580
headphones the the wireless headphones

1797
01:10:59,570 --> 01:10:56,400
that look like snails the guy from 1984

1798
01:11:01,130 --> 01:10:59,580
maybe George Orwell uh Hitchhiker's

1799
01:11:02,689 --> 01:11:01,140
Guide for the Galaxy but he was talking

1800
01:11:04,490 --> 01:11:02,699
about the headphones he was like you

1801
01:11:08,090 --> 01:11:04,500
stick him in maybe it was a Fahrenheit

1802
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:08,100
uh uh Bradberry uh what he was talking

1803
01:11:11,390 --> 01:11:09,840
about like yeah in the future we get our

1804
01:11:13,490 --> 01:11:11,400
information from these tiny little white

1805
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:13,500
like white snails or something maybe I'm

1806
01:11:16,970 --> 01:11:15,360
I'm adding the white yeah I mean are

1807
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:16,980
they informing scientists because a lot

1808
01:11:22,729 --> 01:11:18,239
of scientists were great you know

1809
01:11:24,530 --> 01:11:22,739
voracious sci-fi readers or were uh

1810
01:11:26,930 --> 01:11:24,540
these things prophesied I think maybe a

1811
01:11:29,630 --> 01:11:26,940
little bit of both yeah is that chicken

1812
01:11:31,729 --> 01:11:29,640
in the egg scenario yeah man they've

1813
01:11:34,490 --> 01:11:31,739
been working on it forever and slowly

1814
01:11:36,830 --> 01:11:34,500
gets trickled out or an idea comes out

1815
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:36,840
or were they a scientist is at a bar and

1816
01:11:39,649 --> 01:11:38,400
he meets a guy and the guy says

1817
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:39,659
something interesting and he goes to

1818
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:41,760
work the next day and he's like I have

1819
01:11:45,709 --> 01:11:43,679
an idea for some headphones little did

1820
01:11:47,810 --> 01:11:45,719
he know that the old man he was talking

1821
01:11:50,030 --> 01:11:47,820
to at the bar had been he already made

1822
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:50,040
that [\h__\h] back in the 50s yeah well

1823
01:11:55,130 --> 01:11:53,520
think about a Jurassic Park you know

1824
01:11:56,450 --> 01:11:55,140
um I mean that was science fiction at

1825
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:56,460
one point and now they're saying they

1826
01:12:00,290 --> 01:11:57,920
can make dinosaurs if they want to

1827
01:12:02,330 --> 01:12:00,300
someone's going to do it they bring back

1828
01:12:02,700 --> 01:12:02,340
a mammoth full circle with the chicken

1829
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:02,710
thing

1830
01:12:08,270 --> 01:12:06,080
[Laughter]

1831
01:12:10,010 --> 01:12:08,280
this is like one of the conversations I

1832
01:12:12,290 --> 01:12:10,020
had when I was in college

1833
01:12:13,790 --> 01:12:12,300
hanging out all night oh my gosh dude

1834
01:12:15,649 --> 01:12:13,800
you

1835
01:12:16,910 --> 01:12:15,659
'll find I just want to say one more

1836
01:12:18,590 --> 01:12:16,920
thing about chickens uh I don't know if

1837
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:18,600
you guys ever made Fried Chicken but in

1838
01:12:20,750 --> 01:12:19,920
order to do that

1839
01:12:25,510 --> 01:12:20,760
um

1840
01:12:31,610 --> 01:12:29,390
so it's a lot of eggs and chicken and

1841
01:12:32,209 --> 01:12:31,620
it's delicious so

1842
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:32,219
um

1843
01:12:35,689 --> 01:12:34,560
I just wanted to add that that's

1844
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:35,699
interesting

1845
01:12:40,510 --> 01:12:37,199
it might not be so bad hey maybe

1846
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:43,189
so dude I mean after being able to do

1847
01:12:46,370 --> 01:12:45,120
you know like all these TV shows and

1848
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:46,380
things like that you know you've

1849
01:12:49,970 --> 01:12:48,239
obviously you know got into a lot of

1850
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:49,980
stuff I mean what's what's some of your

1851
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:52,320
uh what some of your you know your

1852
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:54,480
Classics like your your shelters you

1853
01:12:57,709 --> 01:12:56,400
know like that was badass I'm putting

1854
01:12:59,209 --> 01:12:57,719
that on the Shelf like what are some of

1855
01:13:01,250 --> 01:12:59,219
your your favorite things that you've

1856
01:13:03,709 --> 01:13:01,260
kind of run into while doing this

1857
01:13:05,570 --> 01:13:03,719
favorite movies or just no no just

1858
01:13:07,310 --> 01:13:05,580
experiences in general through just

1859
01:13:09,470 --> 01:13:07,320
everything you've done you know

1860
01:13:12,290 --> 01:13:09,480
huh

1861
01:13:16,189 --> 01:13:12,300
I I've a lot in the last few years alone

1862
01:13:17,570 --> 01:13:16,199
but um okay so there was a a lot a lot

1863
01:13:19,850 --> 01:13:17,580
of things have happened and a lot of the

1864
01:13:22,250 --> 01:13:19,860
things I already talked about uh in this

1865
01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:22,260
conversation that Were Striking that

1866
01:13:27,770 --> 01:13:24,239
were amazing you know the the

1867
01:13:29,450 --> 01:13:27,780
geophysicists and the grounds and

1868
01:13:31,310 --> 01:13:29,460
um going to holmesburg prison and

1869
01:13:34,370 --> 01:13:31,320
speaking to the prisoners that survived

1870
01:13:36,530 --> 01:13:34,380
the experiments everyone including the

1871
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:36,540
gentleman who wrote the novel Acres of

1872
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:38,880
skin all confirming that this this mind

1873
01:13:44,689 --> 01:13:41,040
control stuff happened

1874
01:13:46,669 --> 01:13:44,699
um going to albelic's house you know and

1875
01:13:48,530 --> 01:13:46,679
sitting with him in his backyard as well

1876
01:13:51,169 --> 01:13:48,540
you know before he died

1877
01:13:53,090 --> 01:13:51,179
going to Preston Nichols house and him

1878
01:13:55,850 --> 01:13:53,100
turning he had this thing called the

1879
01:13:57,890 --> 01:13:55,860
healing machine okay and I go in there

1880
01:14:00,530 --> 01:13:57,900
and he's like it's gonna change your DNA

1881
01:14:02,209 --> 01:14:00,540
and I'm like great let's do it so he

1882
01:14:04,130 --> 01:14:02,219
puts on the doors

1883
01:14:07,310 --> 01:14:04,140
writers in the writers on the storm

1884
01:14:10,130 --> 01:14:07,320
right and I go inside this thing and I

1885
01:14:12,050 --> 01:14:10,140
lay down and all these lights he built

1886
01:14:13,850 --> 01:14:12,060
this like makeshift thing and he

1887
01:14:16,189 --> 01:14:13,860
suggested he's like you know Doc Brown

1888
01:14:18,350 --> 01:14:16,199
was based on me and I'm like and he was

1889
01:14:20,450 --> 01:14:18,360
serious he wasn't making a joke and so I

1890
01:14:22,610 --> 01:14:20,460
go inside the healing machine

1891
01:14:25,370 --> 01:14:22,620
and he's like you're ready and I'm like

1892
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:25,380
yep and he hits the button and the doors

1893
01:14:30,050 --> 01:14:27,840
start playing and then all these lights

1894
01:14:32,030 --> 01:14:30,060
start going on and he's like how do you

1895
01:14:33,470 --> 01:14:32,040
feel you're Changed For Life your DNA

1896
01:14:36,290 --> 01:14:33,480
has changed I'm like I don't know I

1897
01:14:37,550 --> 01:14:36,300
don't know I feel like I did before and

1898
01:14:39,709 --> 01:14:37,560
he's like hold on I'm going to turn the

1899
01:14:41,330 --> 01:14:39,719
force field on and he had like one of

1900
01:14:44,330 --> 01:14:41,340
these switches that you see in the old

1901
01:14:47,750 --> 01:14:44,340
Universal horror movies the big you know

1902
01:14:50,270 --> 01:14:47,760
the switch Yeah the switch and then we

1903
01:14:52,850 --> 01:14:50,280
go outside and he's like do you see it

1904
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:52,860
and you know I had a guy with me he was

1905
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:54,480
like Uncle Eddie from vacation he's like

1906
01:14:58,430 --> 01:14:56,640
I see it and I'm like no you don't see

1907
01:15:00,590 --> 01:14:58,440
anything what are you talking about I

1908
01:15:03,649 --> 01:15:00,600
didn't see him it's beautiful but that

1909
01:15:07,250 --> 01:15:03,659
it's just the experience of that was so

1910
01:15:09,530 --> 01:15:07,260
much fun to be around these characters

1911
01:15:11,689 --> 01:15:09,540
um I have so many of them you know James

1912
01:15:14,270 --> 01:15:11,699
Bruce driving home with him from Montauk

1913
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:14,280
and him telling me about bodies being

1914
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:18,000
disposed and uh at a pig farm

1915
01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:21,120
yeah that was creepy yeah

1916
01:15:27,770 --> 01:15:23,040
but it's an efficient way to do it yeah

1917
01:15:29,450 --> 01:15:27,780
yeah I was I was at the um I was alone a

1918
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:29,460
lot shooting footage for Montauk

1919
01:15:33,610 --> 01:15:32,400
Chronicles and so I was out there it was

1920
01:15:38,450 --> 01:15:33,620
winter

1921
01:15:41,149 --> 01:15:38,460
and I was sitting at Camp hero and it

1922
01:15:42,649 --> 01:15:41,159
was cold and the sun's going down and

1923
01:15:45,950 --> 01:15:42,659
I'm laying down

1924
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:45,960
belly down getting this beautiful shot

1925
01:15:49,729 --> 01:15:48,239
this little on a rail on a slider a four

1926
01:15:51,290 --> 01:15:49,739
foot Slider getting this little chain

1927
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:51,300
that made into the movie I love the shot

1928
01:15:55,250 --> 01:15:53,760
and it's dollying towards the Tower and

1929
01:15:56,209 --> 01:15:55,260
the wind's blowing and the sun's coming

1930
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:56,219
down

1931
01:15:58,850 --> 01:15:57,840
and for some reason because I was there

1932
01:16:01,970 --> 01:15:58,860
a lot

1933
01:16:04,729 --> 01:16:01,980
I got really spooked out I don't know

1934
01:16:06,050 --> 01:16:04,739
why and that's when you question that

1935
01:16:07,370 --> 01:16:06,060
feeling because it just came out of

1936
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:07,380
nowhere I wasn't thinking about anything

1937
01:16:10,850 --> 01:16:09,360
I was having a good time I was doing my

1938
01:16:12,890 --> 01:16:10,860
thing getting my footage

1939
01:16:15,649 --> 01:16:12,900
and I look to my right and there was

1940
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:15,659
this group of deer this family of deer

1941
01:16:21,050 --> 01:16:18,000
and they all looked at me in unison and

1942
01:16:24,110 --> 01:16:21,060
then they took off and I'm like I gotta

1943
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:24,120
get out of here right now now and I'm

1944
01:16:28,189 --> 01:16:25,520
like start putting all my stuff together

1945
01:16:30,649 --> 01:16:28,199
and it's just the wind was raging and I

1946
01:16:32,990 --> 01:16:30,659
just ran out of there and I don't know

1947
01:16:35,290 --> 01:16:33,000
why I felt that way I really don't it

1948
01:16:37,970 --> 01:16:35,300
just came over me that I had to leave

1949
01:16:39,770 --> 01:16:37,980
so that was one that was another one

1950
01:16:42,050 --> 01:16:39,780
that was really interesting but a lot a

1951
01:16:43,729 --> 01:16:42,060
lot of stuff like that happened we have

1952
01:16:46,250 --> 01:16:43,739
a question uh we're just kind of opening

1953
01:16:49,550 --> 01:16:46,260
up to the the chat that's watching live

1954
01:16:51,470 --> 01:16:49,560
on YouTube right now uh Michael Mike uh

1955
01:16:56,030 --> 01:16:51,480
asked can you talk more about your

1956
01:16:59,330 --> 01:16:56,040
experience when you were 14. yeah so I I

1957
01:17:01,729 --> 01:16:59,340
went to I was at my buddy's house and

1958
01:17:03,530 --> 01:17:01,739
we had all we were listening to music

1959
01:17:05,390 --> 01:17:03,540
and probably they didn't listen to like

1960
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:05,400
you know Black Sabbath or whatever we

1961
01:17:11,149 --> 01:17:08,159
listened to at the time and

1962
01:17:14,350 --> 01:17:11,159
we fell asleep and

1963
01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:14,360
I woke up and I was hearing this

1964
01:17:20,630 --> 01:17:17,280
Whispering sounded like a female

1965
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:20,640
whispering and I was like it was very

1966
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:23,280
loud and I the first thing I saw when I

1967
01:17:27,410 --> 01:17:25,199
opened my eyes my friend had all these

1968
01:17:29,689 --> 01:17:27,420
those old glow-in-the-dark stars on his

1969
01:17:30,830 --> 01:17:29,699
ceiling so I'm laying back I'm sleeping

1970
01:17:32,930 --> 01:17:30,840
on his floor

1971
01:17:35,689 --> 01:17:32,940
and I'm looking up and I'm like what is

1972
01:17:38,149 --> 01:17:35,699
that and I said guys do you hear that do

1973
01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:38,159
you hear that and one of them woke up

1974
01:17:40,610 --> 01:17:39,600
and said go back to sleep I don't hear

1975
01:17:42,830 --> 01:17:40,620
anything

1976
01:17:45,050 --> 01:17:42,840
and so I was just compelled to go find

1977
01:17:46,610 --> 01:17:45,060
out what it was the guy lived with his

1978
01:17:49,490 --> 01:17:46,620
sister and his mother

1979
01:17:52,130 --> 01:17:49,500
so I walked out into the hallway and I'm

1980
01:17:53,390 --> 01:17:52,140
hearing it and it's loud and I looked

1981
01:17:55,250 --> 01:17:53,400
into his sister's room and she was

1982
01:17:57,169 --> 01:17:55,260
sleeping I walked downstairs I'm looking

1983
01:17:59,689 --> 01:17:57,179
around to see if someone left a radio on

1984
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:59,699
I don't know if it's some weird music

1985
01:18:02,810 --> 01:18:01,199
was playing in the middle of the night

1986
01:18:09,290 --> 01:18:02,820
nothing

1987
01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:09,300
feeling you know that I was at ontok the

1988
01:18:13,250 --> 01:18:10,560
same feeling that I had when I was at

1989
01:18:15,890 --> 01:18:13,260
Montauk I had that night I knew this was

1990
01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:15,900
something this was not coming from any

1991
01:18:20,990 --> 01:18:18,960
technological device and again I'm a kid

1992
01:18:23,630 --> 01:18:21,000
with a head full of horror films and

1993
01:18:26,930 --> 01:18:23,640
heavy metal and all you know but still I

1994
01:18:28,630 --> 01:18:26,940
knew this was just this was not this was

1995
01:18:32,209 --> 01:18:28,640
out of this world it was something

1996
01:18:33,770 --> 01:18:32,219
unique that I was experiencing and um I

1997
01:18:36,110 --> 01:18:33,780
just went back to the room and I was

1998
01:18:38,149 --> 01:18:36,120
really scared because I was like what is

1999
01:18:40,189 --> 01:18:38,159
this and it was just whispering and

2000
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:40,199
whispering and Whispering so I fell

2001
01:18:43,550 --> 01:18:41,760
asleep eventually

2002
01:18:45,470 --> 01:18:43,560
and obviously I wasn't hearing it the

2003
01:18:46,910 --> 01:18:45,480
next day I wasn't crazy I wasn't on

2004
01:18:48,290 --> 01:18:46,920
anything

2005
01:18:50,450 --> 01:18:48,300
and throughout the next day I really

2006
01:18:54,410 --> 01:18:50,460
thought about it I was like wow that is

2007
01:18:55,970 --> 01:18:54,420
so weird and the next night I was back

2008
01:18:59,149 --> 01:18:55,980
at my parents house

2009
01:19:00,770 --> 01:18:59,159
and I heard it again around the same

2010
01:19:03,050 --> 01:19:00,780
time wow

2011
01:19:05,810 --> 01:19:03,060
and this time I was a little less scared

2012
01:19:08,330 --> 01:19:05,820
but I was like what is this

2013
01:19:09,770 --> 01:19:08,340
and I don't know if something attached

2014
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:09,780
to me you know you hear about that

2015
01:19:13,130 --> 01:19:11,280
you're at a haunted house and something

2016
01:19:15,649 --> 01:19:13,140
attaches itself to you we don't really

2017
01:19:18,350 --> 01:19:15,659
know what this stuff is we can speculate

2018
01:19:20,149 --> 01:19:18,360
but we just don't know and it could be

2019
01:19:21,709 --> 01:19:20,159
some interdimensional message it could

2020
01:19:22,910 --> 01:19:21,719
have been a technology that was being

2021
01:19:24,830 --> 01:19:22,920
tested

2022
01:19:26,750 --> 01:19:24,840
I don't know to this day I don't know

2023
01:19:29,209 --> 01:19:26,760
but all I know is that's what I

2024
01:19:32,450 --> 01:19:29,219
experienced it happened only two nights

2025
01:19:33,530 --> 01:19:32,460
in two separate locations around the

2026
01:19:35,630 --> 01:19:33,540
same time

2027
01:19:38,450 --> 01:19:35,640
same exact sound and it never happened

2028
01:19:39,410 --> 01:19:38,460
again or never happened before that

2029
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:39,420
um

2030
01:19:44,689 --> 01:19:42,480
nice yeah that's

2031
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:44,699
that's something that uh that attachment

2032
01:19:51,410 --> 01:19:48,000
thing always freaks me out yeah I love

2033
01:19:53,870 --> 01:19:51,420
like I love I love spooky places and I

2034
01:19:56,450 --> 01:19:53,880
always want to go like I'm gonna go in

2035
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:56,460
there as soon as I get close to I'm like

2036
01:20:01,310 --> 01:19:58,800
but man what if one attaches itself I

2037
01:20:02,990 --> 01:20:01,320
don't know I don't know the process I

2038
01:20:05,209 --> 01:20:03,000
know people I can call to get rid of it

2039
01:20:08,090 --> 01:20:05,219
but they live so far away like what if I

2040
01:20:09,709 --> 01:20:08,100
don't have the time I just you know I

2041
01:20:11,330 --> 01:20:09,719
don't always make you nervous for

2042
01:20:13,010 --> 01:20:11,340
screened world we went to something

2043
01:20:15,470 --> 01:20:13,020
called the and this is again like so

2044
01:20:17,930 --> 01:20:15,480
we're making TV and I know there are

2045
01:20:19,850 --> 01:20:17,940
people around me that are want to play

2046
01:20:21,649 --> 01:20:19,860
things up and I always fought them I was

2047
01:20:24,890 --> 01:20:21,659
like why it's so much more interesting

2048
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:24,900
if we actually do something yeah and so

2049
01:20:30,110 --> 01:20:27,840
we're at this place and you know they

2050
01:20:32,990 --> 01:20:30,120
tried to throw some typical

2051
01:20:34,610 --> 01:20:33,000
um ghost show elements into it and I was

2052
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:34,620
always pulling back and I said how about

2053
01:20:37,790 --> 01:20:35,520
this

2054
01:20:39,709 --> 01:20:37,800
you know if we found some animal bones

2055
01:20:41,450 --> 01:20:39,719
in the woods I guess part of a deer or

2056
01:20:43,430 --> 01:20:41,460
whatever and they said not too long ago

2057
01:20:45,169 --> 01:20:43,440
there were people black magic people

2058
01:20:46,970 --> 01:20:45,179
that were sacrificing something here

2059
01:20:49,250 --> 01:20:46,980
over the fire this is what they told us

2060
01:20:51,290 --> 01:20:49,260
before we got there and I found these

2061
01:20:52,669 --> 01:20:51,300
bones of whatever and I said so why

2062
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:52,679
don't we make an offering and play

2063
01:20:56,750 --> 01:20:53,760
around because it's supposed to be a

2064
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:56,760
notoriously evil place and

2065
01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:57,600
um

2066
01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:00,000
what really did happen and again it's

2067
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:02,400
portrayed dramatically you know in the

2068
01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:04,800
editing and they swell the music up and

2069
01:21:11,510 --> 01:21:07,679
everything but it really did happen so

2070
01:21:14,990 --> 01:21:11,520
this was a Still Still air night you

2071
01:21:17,570 --> 01:21:15,000
know there was no wind whatsoever and

2072
01:21:20,330 --> 01:21:17,580
all of a sudden the wind started blowing

2073
01:21:22,610 --> 01:21:20,340
really hardcore through the trees and

2074
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:22,620
then all these bats just started flying

2075
01:21:26,270 --> 01:21:24,960
around and then one of our crew members

2076
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:26,280
our field

2077
01:21:31,250 --> 01:21:29,040
um a manager a field producer

2078
01:21:33,530 --> 01:21:31,260
she never went back she had another job

2079
01:21:36,770 --> 01:21:33,540
offer after this to do another ghost

2080
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:36,780
show she refused to because whatever was

2081
01:21:43,729 --> 01:21:40,080
coming after her that night went to her

2082
01:21:46,970 --> 01:21:43,739
hotel room and she was so spooked that

2083
01:21:49,630 --> 01:21:46,980
she would not not come back she would

2084
01:21:51,290 --> 01:21:49,640
not do another show at all

2085
01:21:53,570 --> 01:21:51,300
golly

2086
01:21:55,010 --> 01:21:53,580
yeah it's creepy and again we're gonna

2087
01:21:56,209 --> 01:21:55,020
talk about that we don't really talk

2088
01:21:58,370 --> 01:21:56,219
about this that much it's the kind of

2089
01:22:01,689 --> 01:21:58,380
thing that you see in these shows and

2090
01:22:03,830 --> 01:22:01,699
they play it up and I have a um another

2091
01:22:05,149 --> 01:22:03,840
documentary coming out soon called The

2092
01:22:07,850 --> 01:22:05,159
Haunting we will go I'm gonna put a

2093
01:22:09,950 --> 01:22:07,860
trailer out in October for it and um

2094
01:22:12,530 --> 01:22:09,960
it's the antithesis of all these ghost

2095
01:22:15,770 --> 01:22:12,540
shows it's something very different and

2096
01:22:17,689 --> 01:22:15,780
we tried something at a location that I

2097
01:22:19,550 --> 01:22:17,699
trust the people at the location that it

2098
01:22:21,410 --> 01:22:19,560
truly is or they're they're experiencing

2099
01:22:24,530 --> 01:22:21,420
some kind of phenomenon a man did die

2100
01:22:26,750 --> 01:22:24,540
there and so what we did was I got an

2101
01:22:28,490 --> 01:22:26,760
actor and I said okay we're going to

2102
01:22:31,010 --> 01:22:28,500
shoot Recreations but this is how we're

2103
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:31,020
going to do it we're going to have a

2104
01:22:34,490 --> 01:22:32,880
traditional Seance that's one thing I

2105
01:22:36,229 --> 01:22:34,500
always wanted to do we had one of those

2106
01:22:38,270 --> 01:22:36,239
in the house where a trans medium

2107
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:38,280
allowed allegedly allows the spirit to

2108
01:22:41,570 --> 01:22:40,080
come in and speak through her so she did

2109
01:22:43,850 --> 01:22:41,580
that and that's an interesting thing to

2110
01:22:45,770 --> 01:22:43,860
see like legit somebody came in that

2111
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:45,780
knew what they were doing yeah yeah her

2112
01:22:49,250 --> 01:22:47,280
name is Robin wind and I also

2113
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:49,260
interviewed her on my my podcast as well

2114
01:22:56,030 --> 01:22:52,800
but in the house itself a gentleman did

2115
01:22:58,970 --> 01:22:56,040
die there he he it's sad too because he

2116
01:23:01,729 --> 01:22:58,980
lived alone he was a recluse he slipped

2117
01:23:04,490 --> 01:23:01,739
and fell in the bathroom hit his head on

2118
01:23:06,890 --> 01:23:04,500
the sink and he's bleeding and he's

2119
01:23:08,570 --> 01:23:06,900
confused and so what I did is I had an

2120
01:23:11,330 --> 01:23:08,580
actor come in and I wanted to go through

2121
01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:11,340
every stage of his until his death and

2122
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:13,440
to the very spot that he died in and his

2123
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:15,840
body was found in when the when

2124
01:23:18,290 --> 01:23:17,280
everybody got there the MTS got there

2125
01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:18,300
they thought it was a murder scene

2126
01:23:21,770 --> 01:23:19,920
because it was blood just all over the

2127
01:23:23,570 --> 01:23:21,780
place so we were trying to recreate all

2128
01:23:26,090 --> 01:23:23,580
of that with the actor but I wanted to

2129
01:23:28,370 --> 01:23:26,100
bring the actor into I said You know

2130
01:23:30,229 --> 01:23:28,380
open yourself to all of this so instead

2131
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:30,239
of just directing the recreate and we

2132
01:23:34,370 --> 01:23:32,400
were doing an experiment and we did use

2133
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:34,380
some devices to see if anything would

2134
01:23:40,010 --> 01:23:36,719
spike if the medium would feel something

2135
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:40,020
we did that but a lot of the the new

2136
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:42,480
documentaries of portrayal it's a it's

2137
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:44,159
an interesting essay it's a study of

2138
01:23:47,390 --> 01:23:45,360
everything I'm going to go to Disney's

2139
01:23:50,209 --> 01:23:47,400
Haunted House and I interviewed Fox

2140
01:23:52,010 --> 01:23:50,219
Nolte who wrote a whole book about you

2141
01:23:54,350 --> 01:23:52,020
know Disney's Haunted House and the

2142
01:23:57,229 --> 01:23:54,360
intricacies of it and the origins of all

2143
01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:57,239
the different creatures inside and all

2144
01:24:00,110 --> 01:23:58,560
of that stuff and this is all coming

2145
01:24:02,750 --> 01:24:00,120
together in one big celebration of

2146
01:24:05,090 --> 01:24:02,760
Halloween hauntings everything we love

2147
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:05,100
horror films it's all like in one thing

2148
01:24:09,709 --> 01:24:07,440
the Paranormal and I just wanted to like

2149
01:24:12,290 --> 01:24:09,719
make something different than what you

2150
01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:12,300
see in 8 000 ghost shows that are on TV

2151
01:24:17,450 --> 01:24:15,360
right now yeah yeah a haunting we will

2152
01:24:18,830 --> 01:24:17,460
go this is what you said a haunting way

2153
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:18,840
to go yeah and it's it's going to be

2154
01:24:22,310 --> 01:24:21,120
under the banner of my podcast off to

2155
01:24:23,930 --> 01:24:22,320
the witch it'll be off to the witch

2156
01:24:25,490 --> 01:24:23,940
presents and I'll I'm putting on a

2157
01:24:27,950 --> 01:24:25,500
series of these so there'll be feature

2158
01:24:30,530 --> 01:24:27,960
length uh donkey dramas

2159
01:24:32,390 --> 01:24:30,540
that's going to be really cool I'll be

2160
01:24:37,870 --> 01:24:32,400
really we should do one where we go we

2161
01:24:44,450 --> 01:24:39,970
most of the time

2162
01:24:46,189 --> 01:24:44,460
yes I love it dude that's so cool man so

2163
01:24:51,770 --> 01:24:46,199
do you have like a uh

2164
01:24:53,689 --> 01:24:51,780
Adventure you want to go on that if you

2165
01:24:56,090 --> 01:24:53,699
haven't yet gotten to believe it or not

2166
01:24:57,770 --> 01:24:56,100
you know I read so much about it I

2167
01:25:00,290 --> 01:24:57,780
actually want to come to Transylvania

2168
01:25:02,990 --> 01:25:00,300
and go to Dracula's castle because

2169
01:25:05,149 --> 01:25:03,000
there's some great stories surrounding

2170
01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:05,159
the people that have explored or camped

2171
01:25:09,649 --> 01:25:07,199
out in the area and some of their

2172
01:25:12,470 --> 01:25:09,659
stories are just off the chain and I'd

2173
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:12,480
love to go there and just do uh you know

2174
01:25:16,370 --> 01:25:14,400
it's all about perspective I know I

2175
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,380
could tackle something that's been done

2176
01:25:21,229 --> 01:25:18,960
to death because I feel like it hasn't

2177
01:25:23,149 --> 01:25:21,239
been done right ever you know or it was

2178
01:25:26,630 --> 01:25:23,159
close like maybe Leonard Nimoy did it

2179
01:25:29,209 --> 01:25:26,640
right you know on in search of but I'd

2180
01:25:30,890 --> 01:25:29,219
rather I'd rather I have I have a fresh

2181
01:25:32,689 --> 01:25:30,900
perspective on some things that may have

2182
01:25:34,130 --> 01:25:32,699
been done to death and then some things

2183
01:25:36,350 --> 01:25:34,140
that have never even been explored

2184
01:25:38,330 --> 01:25:36,360
before so that's that's like the new

2185
01:25:40,790 --> 01:25:38,340
series but I'd rather do them as these

2186
01:25:42,950 --> 01:25:40,800
separate specials maybe releasing two or

2187
01:25:45,709 --> 01:25:42,960
three a year as opposed to just being

2188
01:25:47,570 --> 01:25:45,719
stuck in a decade of some monotonous

2189
01:25:49,430 --> 01:25:47,580
series that too many people have their

2190
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:49,440
hands in and I have no interest in that

2191
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:51,840
it see it seems like the common uh

2192
01:25:57,050 --> 01:25:54,480
denomination or whatever with these

2193
01:25:59,390 --> 01:25:57,060
programs trying to tell these stories

2194
01:26:01,250 --> 01:25:59,400
that we all love and the reason why we

2195
01:26:02,750 --> 01:26:01,260
all I agree that they haven't been told

2196
01:26:05,090 --> 01:26:02,760
correctly is because there's too many

2197
01:26:07,729 --> 01:26:05,100
cooks in the kitchen so in your

2198
01:26:09,649 --> 01:26:07,739
experience what has changed between uh

2199
01:26:13,070 --> 01:26:09,659
back in the day when when documentaries

2200
01:26:14,810 --> 01:26:13,080
and and TV shows have just done a kind

2201
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:14,820
of Quarry like

2202
01:26:19,129 --> 01:26:17,040
a job of telling these stories like what

2203
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:19,139
what has changed between when you got

2204
01:26:23,450 --> 01:26:21,120
into the film industry and and what's

2205
01:26:26,510 --> 01:26:23,460
what's to come like

2206
01:26:28,250 --> 01:26:26,520
I think if something works for someone

2207
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:28,260
else like let's say a haunting we will

2208
01:26:33,410 --> 01:26:30,480
go is a big hit and everybody loves it

2209
01:26:35,510 --> 01:26:33,420
you're going to see copies from the same

2210
01:26:37,070 --> 01:26:35,520
networks that are making garbage that

2211
01:26:38,810 --> 01:26:37,080
you did you hate they're gonna say well

2212
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:38,820
we got to do that now because that's

2213
01:26:43,610 --> 01:26:41,040
their mentality and they're they're

2214
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:43,620
unlike us the people that love this

2215
01:26:49,910 --> 01:26:45,360
stuff and unlike the people that love

2216
01:26:51,950 --> 01:26:49,920
making this stuff and very few are one

2217
01:26:53,649 --> 01:26:51,960
in the same so a lot of these people are

2218
01:26:56,330 --> 01:26:53,659
just jumping on something that's

2219
01:26:57,770 --> 01:26:56,340
profitable yet they don't really know

2220
01:26:59,689 --> 01:26:57,780
Their audience and they don't really

2221
01:27:01,790 --> 01:26:59,699
know the subject matter and they don't

2222
01:27:05,870 --> 01:27:01,800
care and I've dealt with some of these

2223
01:27:07,490 --> 01:27:05,880
people and again like I'm grateful uh to

2224
01:27:09,410 --> 01:27:07,500
have been able to make certain things

2225
01:27:11,330 --> 01:27:09,420
but then again you know you're caught up

2226
01:27:13,250 --> 01:27:11,340
in a situation where

2227
01:27:15,229 --> 01:27:13,260
I think some people in this business

2228
01:27:17,390 --> 01:27:15,239
shouldn't even be in it because we're

2229
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:17,400
making things for the people and so I'm

2230
01:27:22,129 --> 01:27:20,159
somebody that truly loves this stuff I'm

2231
01:27:24,169 --> 01:27:22,139
also an artist and a filmmaker so it's

2232
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:24,179
like I know how to translate it in a way

2233
01:27:28,970 --> 01:27:27,600
that I think you'll truly enjoy and I am

2234
01:27:31,250 --> 01:27:28,980
someone who's you know some people

2235
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:31,260
aren't interested in delivering the

2236
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:33,120
goods to the audience I am I'm the

2237
01:27:39,050 --> 01:27:35,520
opposite I want to give you a great time

2238
01:27:40,850 --> 01:27:39,060
and so I'm trying to think about I have

2239
01:27:43,790 --> 01:27:40,860
an Eclectic taste and I love a lot of

2240
01:27:45,290 --> 01:27:43,800
things and good movies so it's like I

2241
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:45,300
want to give you something like that I

2242
01:27:48,050 --> 01:27:46,560
want to give you an experience where

2243
01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:48,060
you're sitting down and saying I'm

2244
01:27:50,930 --> 01:27:49,440
interested in seeing this again I

2245
01:27:53,390 --> 01:27:50,940
actually want to own this and watch this

2246
01:27:54,950 --> 01:27:53,400
again and I think a lot of these shows

2247
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:54,960
are disposable

2248
01:28:00,649 --> 01:27:57,600
because they're being rushed and because

2249
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:00,659
people keep watching them and they're so

2250
01:28:05,570 --> 01:28:04,080
repetitive and so fake and hauntings

2251
01:28:06,770 --> 01:28:05,580
aren't fake you know we don't know

2252
01:28:08,750 --> 01:28:06,780
exactly what they are but they're

2253
01:28:10,129 --> 01:28:08,760
certainly not fake what I'm telling you

2254
01:28:12,649 --> 01:28:10,139
is that

2255
01:28:16,430 --> 01:28:12,659
I I think most of what you're seeing on

2256
01:28:19,729 --> 01:28:16,440
TV and I have experience in the arena is

2257
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:19,739
faked faked for television and once you

2258
01:28:22,850 --> 01:28:21,360
start saying I'm gonna stop watching

2259
01:28:24,770 --> 01:28:22,860
this stuff and I'd rather see something

2260
01:28:26,209 --> 01:28:24,780
better then they'll change you know

2261
01:28:28,610 --> 01:28:26,219
they'll start making

2262
01:28:31,310 --> 01:28:28,620
better work and they'll advertise it

2263
01:28:32,810 --> 01:28:31,320
better like personally I you know I'm

2264
01:28:35,149 --> 01:28:32,820
not interested in seeing three guys sit

2265
01:28:37,070 --> 01:28:35,159
on a couch watching TV making

2266
01:28:38,330 --> 01:28:37,080
commentaries on YouTube videos that's

2267
01:28:40,790 --> 01:28:38,340
not a show

2268
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:40,800
you know but the the networks are still

2269
01:28:45,050 --> 01:28:42,480
profiting off of stuff like that because

2270
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:45,060
everybody Tunes in so it's like let's

2271
01:28:49,070 --> 01:28:46,800
demand better quality better

2272
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:49,080
storytelling you know yeah I think we're

2273
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:50,400
going to start seeing a lot more of that

2274
01:28:55,790 --> 01:28:51,840
I mean you're seeing a lot of control

2275
01:28:58,189 --> 01:28:55,800
going into you know the Creator's hands

2276
01:29:00,950 --> 01:28:58,199
you know the ability to be able to do a

2277
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:00,960
lot of this stuff and not you know need

2278
01:29:06,830 --> 01:29:03,840
so much of that help anymore uh it's

2279
01:29:08,810 --> 01:29:06,840
it's it's really cool to you're seeing a

2280
01:29:11,689 --> 01:29:08,820
lot more independent little projects and

2281
01:29:15,530 --> 01:29:11,699
while they may not be the most like high

2282
01:29:18,590 --> 01:29:15,540
quality budget project the film or the

2283
01:29:20,990 --> 01:29:18,600
song was way more enjoyable uh because

2284
01:29:24,890 --> 01:29:21,000
it wasn't messed with to death or it

2285
01:29:27,350 --> 01:29:24,900
wasn't stamped with a a repeat and cell

2286
01:29:29,570 --> 01:29:27,360
label you know right and that was my

2287
01:29:32,209 --> 01:29:29,580
strength on this new series is that um

2288
01:29:33,770 --> 01:29:32,219
you know I I I worked on projects that

2289
01:29:35,990 --> 01:29:33,780
were in the millions and I worked on

2290
01:29:38,629 --> 01:29:36,000
projects like Montauk Chronicles that

2291
01:29:40,970 --> 01:29:38,639
you know it was under about 15 000 of

2292
01:29:44,209 --> 01:29:40,980
hard-earned money you know to make it

2293
01:29:46,129 --> 01:29:44,219
and a lot of work and um

2294
01:29:48,890 --> 01:29:46,139
I feel like there were things that were

2295
01:29:50,689 --> 01:29:48,900
done better in Montauk then were in some

2296
01:29:52,370 --> 01:29:50,699
of the shows that I made for Millions

2297
01:29:54,350 --> 01:29:52,380
because again you know some of that

2298
01:29:56,510 --> 01:29:54,360
money is being flushed into places that

2299
01:29:58,850 --> 01:29:56,520
it doesn't even get on the screen and

2300
01:30:02,209 --> 01:29:58,860
there are way too many cooks trying to

2301
01:30:04,010 --> 01:30:02,219
jump in and chime in at all times and so

2302
01:30:06,050 --> 01:30:04,020
you do need a Visionary behind something

2303
01:30:08,570 --> 01:30:06,060
in other words because if you look back

2304
01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:08,580
throughout history all television

2305
01:30:14,689 --> 01:30:11,520
literature movies the greatest of them

2306
01:30:16,910 --> 01:30:14,699
had a Visionary at the helm period you

2307
01:30:18,530 --> 01:30:16,920
know there was no movies by committee

2308
01:30:19,970 --> 01:30:18,540
and it was so good I just want to see it

2309
01:30:21,530 --> 01:30:19,980
again you know like it doesn't happen

2310
01:30:23,390 --> 01:30:21,540
that way

2311
01:30:26,030 --> 01:30:23,400
well that's awesome man like you know

2312
01:30:28,370 --> 01:30:26,040
having the the passion to do it is one

2313
01:30:31,669 --> 01:30:28,380
thing because I mean making these making

2314
01:30:33,350 --> 01:30:31,679
this stuff isn't easy you know so uh you

2315
01:30:36,649 --> 01:30:33,360
know having that passion definitely

2316
01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:36,659
definitely helps a lot yeah

2317
01:30:41,209 --> 01:30:39,120
yeah hey uh just uh chiming in here we

2318
01:30:44,270 --> 01:30:41,219
got a question from the chat uh if you

2319
01:30:46,129 --> 01:30:44,280
don't mind Chris Ann has uh asked is

2320
01:30:49,270 --> 01:30:46,139
there any kind of experience you could

2321
01:30:51,410 --> 01:30:49,280
have seeing a wendigo E.T possession

2322
01:30:54,350 --> 01:30:51,420
Poltergeist that would cause you to turn

2323
01:30:58,010 --> 01:30:54,360
away from the Paranormal completely

2324
01:31:00,649 --> 01:30:58,020
so I have I have been cautious of those

2325
01:31:03,649 --> 01:31:00,659
things I I'm somewhat superstitious and

2326
01:31:07,669 --> 01:31:03,659
very cautious of those energies I've had

2327
01:31:10,010 --> 01:31:07,679
some negative experiences with them and

2328
01:31:12,310 --> 01:31:10,020
I'm careful about if someone tells me

2329
01:31:15,410 --> 01:31:12,320
there's a location that's

2330
01:31:17,810 --> 01:31:15,420
demonically charged and nothing but

2331
01:31:19,790 --> 01:31:17,820
negative things happen there I would

2332
01:31:22,430 --> 01:31:19,800
certainly think twice about

2333
01:31:24,590 --> 01:31:22,440
allowing my you know energy to merge

2334
01:31:27,229 --> 01:31:24,600
with that place because

2335
01:31:29,930 --> 01:31:27,239
we've all heard stories of um I believe

2336
01:31:31,970 --> 01:31:29,940
in in amorphous Cosmic energies having

2337
01:31:33,709 --> 01:31:31,980
influence on human beings whatever that

2338
01:31:36,410 --> 01:31:33,719
whatever these things are right you know

2339
01:31:39,590 --> 01:31:36,420
HB Lovecraft wrote about them yeah uh

2340
01:31:43,970 --> 01:31:39,600
they're there for instance so when you

2341
01:31:45,590 --> 01:31:43,980
see a um a couple all right a family and

2342
01:31:47,450 --> 01:31:45,600
they're in they're great you know

2343
01:31:49,430 --> 01:31:47,460
everyone gets along good family they

2344
01:31:50,510 --> 01:31:49,440
move into a new house now all of a

2345
01:31:53,270 --> 01:31:50,520
sudden everybody hates each other

2346
01:31:56,149 --> 01:31:53,280
everybody's fighting why they don't even

2347
01:31:58,129 --> 01:31:56,159
know why nobody knows why and then the

2348
01:32:00,229 --> 01:31:58,139
aftermath is somebody freaked out

2349
01:32:04,370 --> 01:32:00,239
somebody lost it something really bad

2350
01:32:07,310 --> 01:32:04,380
happens and I wonder sometimes are we

2351
01:32:10,550 --> 01:32:07,320
psychologically affected spiritually

2352
01:32:12,770 --> 01:32:10,560
affected by things that are here that

2353
01:32:14,330 --> 01:32:12,780
are either in structures or moving

2354
01:32:15,770 --> 01:32:14,340
around or wherever we don't know where

2355
01:32:17,930 --> 01:32:15,780
these things come from some people say

2356
01:32:19,490 --> 01:32:17,940
oh they're demons well what is a demon

2357
01:32:22,729 --> 01:32:19,500
you know one day we might scientifically

2358
01:32:25,129 --> 01:32:22,739
be able to explain what a demon is uh

2359
01:32:28,010 --> 01:32:25,139
remember that movie John Carpenter's

2360
01:32:30,770 --> 01:32:28,020
um Prince of Darkness oh yeah okay so

2361
01:32:33,830 --> 01:32:30,780
the core Concept in that as evil on a

2362
01:32:35,990 --> 01:32:33,840
subatomic level and and Carpenter was

2363
01:32:39,050 --> 01:32:36,000
reading about that and Quan in the

2364
01:32:41,629 --> 01:32:39,060
quantum world and so does evil exist on

2365
01:32:46,310 --> 01:32:41,639
a subatomic level I believe it does so

2366
01:32:49,850 --> 01:32:47,629
right yeah go back in with that

2367
01:32:52,970 --> 01:32:49,860
perspective dude I struggle with that

2368
01:32:54,350 --> 01:32:52,980
idea between aliens demons it's so I

2369
01:32:55,610 --> 01:32:54,360
feel like we're just pigeonholing it

2370
01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:55,620
we're putting everything in a box like

2371
01:33:00,950 --> 01:32:57,840
humans do like we're oversimplifying

2372
01:33:04,010 --> 01:33:00,960
something and it's uh man I feel like

2373
01:33:06,470 --> 01:33:04,020
it's it's much more it's much more way

2374
01:33:09,410 --> 01:33:06,480
more complicated than we think

2375
01:33:11,090 --> 01:33:09,420
yes it is yeah I think we're on the the

2376
01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:11,100
precipice of like

2377
01:33:14,450 --> 01:33:13,199
considering something new A New

2378
01:33:16,010 --> 01:33:14,460
Perspective these things that have

2379
01:33:17,870 --> 01:33:16,020
always been that we've called them

2380
01:33:19,490 --> 01:33:17,880
demons and entities and all that stuff

2381
01:33:21,050 --> 01:33:19,500
what are they we have to re-question

2382
01:33:24,830 --> 01:33:21,060
what they are they might not be just

2383
01:33:26,689 --> 01:33:24,840
deceased human beings yeah yeah that's

2384
01:33:28,850 --> 01:33:26,699
why I feel like it's so important as a

2385
01:33:30,790 --> 01:33:28,860
Storyteller like yourself and Joe and I

2386
01:33:33,290 --> 01:33:30,800
being interested in the subject and and

2387
01:33:35,689 --> 01:33:33,300
talking about it publicly is because

2388
01:33:37,669 --> 01:33:35,699
we're the storytellers like we want to

2389
01:33:40,250 --> 01:33:37,679
talk to people who have had experiences

2390
01:33:43,490 --> 01:33:40,260
and try to convey that message those

2391
01:33:45,830 --> 01:33:43,500
messages to people that maybe have had

2392
01:33:48,229 --> 01:33:45,840
experiences but you know never gave it

2393
01:33:50,689 --> 01:33:48,239
any thought because nobody else was

2394
01:33:52,970 --> 01:33:50,699
talking about it oh everybody is saying

2395
01:33:55,610 --> 01:33:52,980
I'm crazy for bringing this up so I talk

2396
01:33:59,510 --> 01:33:55,620
about it personally I I think it's up to

2397
01:34:01,070 --> 01:33:59,520
the storytellers uh to get this stuff

2398
01:34:03,290 --> 01:34:01,080
out in the open because the government

2399
01:34:05,270 --> 01:34:03,300
isn't there's something there it is

2400
01:34:07,790 --> 01:34:05,280
important to both the government and the

2401
01:34:11,090 --> 01:34:07,800
people like and it doesn't feel like the

2402
01:34:13,189 --> 01:34:11,100
the truth is coming out through those in

2403
01:34:16,010 --> 01:34:13,199
power or those in Authority it's I think

2404
01:34:19,490 --> 01:34:16,020
it's all up to us as storytellers as

2405
01:34:22,790 --> 01:34:19,500
experiencers and individuals uh to to

2406
01:34:24,830 --> 01:34:22,800
bring that into light man sure sure yeah

2407
01:34:26,629 --> 01:34:24,840
we it's how it's portrayed and we should

2408
01:34:28,550 --> 01:34:26,639
certainly have fun with it but not make

2409
01:34:33,010 --> 01:34:28,560
a mockery of it you know and not make it

2410
01:34:36,350 --> 01:34:33,020
repetitive and stale I I I I

2411
01:34:39,410 --> 01:34:36,360
choose to portray this in in a new way

2412
01:34:41,090 --> 01:34:39,420
or or elements of older ways that worked

2413
01:34:43,550 --> 01:34:41,100
that are tried and true in my opinion

2414
01:34:45,169 --> 01:34:43,560
and just kind of improve upon that as

2415
01:34:47,090 --> 01:34:45,179
opposed to doing anything that's of the

2416
01:34:49,070 --> 01:34:47,100
norm right now like otherwise I won't do

2417
01:34:52,010 --> 01:34:49,080
it

2418
01:34:54,050 --> 01:34:52,020
yeah yeah that's a good idea man well

2419
01:34:55,430 --> 01:34:54,060
I'm excited for that dude you're you

2420
01:34:57,110 --> 01:34:55,440
know you've got this new documentary

2421
01:34:59,390 --> 01:34:57,120
coming out you said you're also working

2422
01:35:01,189 --> 01:34:59,400
on a book yeah we have we haven't talked

2423
01:35:03,709 --> 01:35:01,199
about that live yet if you want to kind

2424
01:35:05,510 --> 01:35:03,719
of go into that a little bit and sure if

2425
01:35:07,430 --> 01:35:05,520
you're ready for it or not but I

2426
01:35:09,649 --> 01:35:07,440
appreciate it man it's um yeah I've been

2427
01:35:12,290 --> 01:35:09,659
working on it for a while and um it

2428
01:35:14,510 --> 01:35:12,300
started as a a screenplay that I wrote

2429
01:35:16,310 --> 01:35:14,520
for TV and a really you know huge

2430
01:35:18,290 --> 01:35:16,320
company wanted to do it this was around

2431
01:35:20,090 --> 01:35:18,300
I think between the dark files and

2432
01:35:23,270 --> 01:35:20,100
Strange World

2433
01:35:24,950 --> 01:35:23,280
um and they they were ready to go for it

2434
01:35:26,750 --> 01:35:24,960
they actually you know held on to my

2435
01:35:29,390 --> 01:35:26,760
script for a while option did for a year

2436
01:35:32,030 --> 01:35:29,400
and uh I finally got it back which was

2437
01:35:32,750 --> 01:35:32,040
great because I think the smart thing to

2438
01:35:35,510 --> 01:35:32,760
do

2439
01:35:38,689 --> 01:35:35,520
before I lost what we're talking about

2440
01:35:40,370 --> 01:35:38,699
you know the essence of what this is and

2441
01:35:42,290 --> 01:35:40,380
it's called Montauk boys it's a

2442
01:35:44,270 --> 01:35:42,300
fictional tale based off of all the

2443
01:35:47,050 --> 01:35:44,280
people on the outskirts the peripheral

2444
01:35:49,850 --> 01:35:47,060
people that I spoke to like James Bruce

2445
01:35:52,310 --> 01:35:49,860
uh on what they said the Montauk boys

2446
01:35:55,010 --> 01:35:52,320
were and then I imagine this awesome

2447
01:35:57,050 --> 01:35:55,020
story of um and this I've been writing

2448
01:35:58,669 --> 01:35:57,060
this for a little bit less than a decade

2449
01:36:01,189 --> 01:35:58,679
so

2450
01:36:03,110 --> 01:36:01,199
um this this story about a gang of kids

2451
01:36:06,110 --> 01:36:03,120
in 1986

2452
01:36:08,270 --> 01:36:06,120
tough kids they're seen as the The

2453
01:36:09,830 --> 01:36:08,280
Unwanted the bad kids some of them have

2454
01:36:13,610 --> 01:36:09,840
been expelled some of them are a little

2455
01:36:16,189 --> 01:36:13,620
older you know post High School uh

2456
01:36:19,129 --> 01:36:16,199
they're being sought out by this

2457
01:36:20,050 --> 01:36:19,139
government program strictly to turn them

2458
01:36:23,750 --> 01:36:20,060
into

2459
01:36:26,350 --> 01:36:23,760
mind-controlled assassins and so how are

2460
01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:26,360
these kids who nobody gives a damn about

2461
01:36:30,410 --> 01:36:28,560
that they're already in tons of trouble

2462
01:36:31,910 --> 01:36:30,420
but I think for the most of them have

2463
01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:31,920
good Hearts how are they going to deal

2464
01:36:35,990 --> 01:36:34,080
with something like this especially when

2465
01:36:38,229 --> 01:36:36,000
one by one some of them are getting

2466
01:36:41,510 --> 01:36:38,239
knocked off by the situation and even

2467
01:36:42,970 --> 01:36:41,520
turned against each other and in a small

2468
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:42,980
town

2469
01:36:48,350 --> 01:36:45,360
and I don't want to say too much because

2470
01:36:50,750 --> 01:36:48,360
yeah yeah a lot of these TV guys have

2471
01:36:53,930 --> 01:36:50,760
Sticky Fingers I

2472
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:53,940
I'm seeing I mean I have a kid so

2473
01:37:02,270 --> 01:37:00,590
but you can actually see okay so you

2474
01:37:04,490 --> 01:37:02,280
could see the I actually made it public

2475
01:37:06,410 --> 01:37:04,500
because I wanted to make sure that there

2476
01:37:08,689 --> 01:37:06,420
there are some some thieves out there

2477
01:37:10,850 --> 01:37:08,699
and I I think the smartest thing for me

2478
01:37:12,169 --> 01:37:10,860
to do is to finish my novel get it out

2479
01:37:14,450 --> 01:37:12,179
there because the script has been

2480
01:37:16,129 --> 01:37:14,460
circulating for maybe six seven years

2481
01:37:17,270 --> 01:37:16,139
now through this big company you know

2482
01:37:19,010 --> 01:37:17,280
that I had there were copies going

2483
01:37:21,290 --> 01:37:19,020
around so

2484
01:37:25,250 --> 01:37:21,300
um I wanted to get the novel out stake

2485
01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:25,260
my claim in my own idea and um also I

2486
01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:27,840
put out the pitch that I showed to this

2487
01:37:32,629 --> 01:37:30,960
company uh in the beginning of when they

2488
01:37:34,010 --> 01:37:32,639
wanted to do something with me I showed

2489
01:37:35,930 --> 01:37:34,020
them the pitch so you can see that on my

2490
01:37:38,990 --> 01:37:35,940
YouTube channel and you can really see

2491
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:39,000
what the gist of Montauk boys is about

2492
01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:41,760
cool I'm cool I'm picturing the dude

2493
01:37:46,129 --> 01:37:43,920
from stranger things that Eddie did like

2494
01:37:48,050 --> 01:37:46,139
right and that's oddly enough it's so

2495
01:37:49,790 --> 01:37:48,060
weird because I wrote that many years

2496
01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:49,800
before even stranger things was a

2497
01:37:54,229 --> 01:37:52,320
twinkle yeah no I mean you're you're

2498
01:37:56,510 --> 01:37:54,239
kind of speaking to a lot I think we all

2499
01:37:59,209 --> 01:37:56,520
knew that if they weren't that dude we

2500
01:38:02,270 --> 01:37:59,219
all knew that dude growing up I mean

2501
01:38:03,970 --> 01:38:02,280
me and Jill are a little uh you know 90s

2502
01:38:06,350 --> 01:38:03,980
whatever but

2503
01:38:08,510 --> 01:38:06,360
I would say so Montauk was a little

2504
01:38:10,370 --> 01:38:08,520
edgier like and that's the thing so they

2505
01:38:12,530 --> 01:38:10,380
were when I was with the company it was

2506
01:38:14,629 --> 01:38:12,540
MTV Affiliated company they were kind of

2507
01:38:17,810 --> 01:38:14,639
already buffing out the edges and I want

2508
01:38:18,770 --> 01:38:17,820
to keep it edgy so I would say if you

2509
01:38:20,570 --> 01:38:18,780
were going to compare it to anything

2510
01:38:23,330 --> 01:38:20,580
it'd be more like Rumble Fish of The

2511
01:38:25,370 --> 01:38:23,340
Outsiders or you know the hardcore

2512
01:38:28,370 --> 01:38:25,380
elements of the Lost Boys even you know

2513
01:38:30,410 --> 01:38:28,380
but like yeah but kids I knew kids I

2514
01:38:32,209 --> 01:38:30,420
knew growing up that that that's who

2515
01:38:35,510 --> 01:38:32,219
these kids are based on you know like

2516
01:38:38,090 --> 01:38:35,520
people I knew situations I saw happen so

2517
01:38:39,290 --> 01:38:38,100
there's very it's a real thing I think

2518
01:38:41,930 --> 01:38:39,300
it would be more

2519
01:38:43,970 --> 01:38:41,940
Sons of Anarchy than stranger things you

2520
01:38:47,390 --> 01:38:43,980
know The Outsiders is like a perfect

2521
01:38:50,030 --> 01:38:47,400
example because like dude like you can't

2522
01:38:52,310 --> 01:38:50,040
watch that movie and not be like oh [\h__\h]

2523
01:38:55,150 --> 01:38:52,320
if I grew up in the 80s dude and I had a

2524
01:38:56,290 --> 01:38:55,160
motorcycle bro yeah

2525
01:38:59,810 --> 01:38:56,300
[Music]

2526
01:39:01,310 --> 01:38:59,820
yeah that's so great like where did that

2527
01:39:03,890 --> 01:39:01,320
Clubhouse come from by the way they just

2528
01:39:05,169 --> 01:39:03,900
did somebody just abandon a bunch of uh

2529
01:39:07,310 --> 01:39:05,179
amazing

2530
01:39:09,169 --> 01:39:07,320
real estate and they're like you know

2531
01:39:13,030 --> 01:39:09,179
what you guys you boys just have it just

2532
01:39:19,189 --> 01:39:16,370
foreign also it's very clean like they

2533
01:39:21,770 --> 01:39:19,199
try to make it very uh dirty and and uh

2534
01:39:23,709 --> 01:39:21,780
kid uh you know like some a bunch of

2535
01:39:27,169 --> 01:39:23,719
kids had been in there but like uh

2536
01:39:29,689 --> 01:39:27,179
teenagers don't clean so uh give it a

2537
01:39:32,689 --> 01:39:29,699
watch I don't know yeah make it real try

2538
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:32,699
something I mean not you know realistic

2539
01:39:41,629 --> 01:39:40,129
I love that perspective of just trying

2540
01:39:44,090 --> 01:39:41,639
to bring something fresh bring something

2541
01:39:46,430 --> 01:39:44,100
kind of new to the table do it a little

2542
01:39:48,169 --> 01:39:46,440
bit different uh it's just such a good

2543
01:39:49,550 --> 01:39:48,179
idea it's such a good idea because it's

2544
01:39:51,890 --> 01:39:49,560
always been one of Ben and I's biggest

2545
01:39:55,870 --> 01:39:51,900
things is like man we love this with

2546
01:39:59,689 --> 01:39:58,310
I think unfortunately I think some of

2547
01:40:01,070 --> 01:39:59,699
these people have the ability to push

2548
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:01,080
themselves to make something original

2549
01:40:06,410 --> 01:40:03,600
but now they're trying they're hoping to

2550
01:40:08,510 --> 01:40:06,420
fit in with a television network and get

2551
01:40:10,129 --> 01:40:08,520
hired don't do that you know yeah I

2552
01:40:11,390 --> 01:40:10,139
think the only reason why I got to make

2553
01:40:13,310 --> 01:40:11,400
shows was because I made something

2554
01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:13,320
original Montauk Chronicles had nothing

2555
01:40:16,729 --> 01:40:14,880
to do with any of these shows and

2556
01:40:19,250 --> 01:40:16,739
somehow that caught their attention and

2557
01:40:21,530 --> 01:40:19,260
so I would say do something really off

2558
01:40:23,629 --> 01:40:21,540
the track of what's what you keep seeing

2559
01:40:25,850 --> 01:40:23,639
yeah I love that you know like the uh

2560
01:40:29,149 --> 01:40:25,860
the Aurora case where the the the

2561
01:40:30,530 --> 01:40:29,159
supposed uh ship crashed in Aurora Texas

2562
01:40:32,450 --> 01:40:30,540
you know

2563
01:40:34,010 --> 01:40:32,460
they always say that they buried the

2564
01:40:38,750 --> 01:40:34,020
body there but you know what nobody's

2565
01:40:40,970 --> 01:40:38,760
ever done go dig it up we should we go

2566
01:40:42,890 --> 01:40:40,980
dig that [\h__\h] up if we find the wrong

2567
01:40:44,750 --> 01:40:42,900
hole the wrong hole we'll put the police

2568
01:40:46,550 --> 01:40:44,760
I'm just looking for the soul I'm

2569
01:40:48,649 --> 01:40:46,560
looking for the small body how do you

2570
01:40:53,570 --> 01:40:48,659
watch 13 seasons of a show called

2571
01:40:57,410 --> 01:40:53,580
finding blank when no one finds anything

2572
01:40:58,910 --> 01:40:57,420
most chill ever I'm saying and when they

2573
01:41:00,890 --> 01:40:58,920
do find it they always Pan the camera

2574
01:41:02,149 --> 01:41:00,900
over to the person looking at it instead

2575
01:41:05,209 --> 01:41:02,159
of whatever

2576
01:41:07,070 --> 01:41:05,219
yeah yeah come on we can do better let's

2577
01:41:09,470 --> 01:41:07,080
do that we got to start a show Finding

2578
01:41:11,930 --> 01:41:09,480
alien bodies we just never find anything

2579
01:41:14,050 --> 01:41:11,940
I can get away with it it's all build up

2580
01:41:16,430 --> 01:41:14,060
and no delivery

2581
01:41:17,990 --> 01:41:16,440
that joke is amazing like fill in the

2582
01:41:21,770 --> 01:41:18,000
blank there's like three categories of

2583
01:41:25,209 --> 01:41:21,780
ghosts and Aliens Bigfoot like your tax

2584
01:41:29,689 --> 01:41:28,129
you're finding your tax money I mean at

2585
01:41:30,850 --> 01:41:29,699
least pro wrestling you really get to

2586
01:41:33,229 --> 01:41:30,860
see

2587
01:41:35,270 --> 01:41:33,239
jumping around in the steel cage and

2588
01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:35,280
things like that you know even It's

2589
01:41:39,470 --> 01:41:37,440
Entertainment pro wrestling like we know

2590
01:41:42,850 --> 01:41:39,480
that we pay taxes but like who really

2591
01:41:45,410 --> 01:41:42,860
knows where it goes right sorry

2592
01:41:47,870 --> 01:41:45,420
uh we're all we're on a journey to find

2593
01:41:50,270 --> 01:41:47,880
out listen I have the Creature from the

2594
01:41:54,590 --> 01:41:50,280
Black Lagoon here with me oh it's so

2595
01:41:58,850 --> 01:41:56,930
uh are you uh are you so are you excited

2596
01:42:01,669 --> 01:41:58,860
about the new monsters film coming out

2597
01:42:04,570 --> 01:42:01,679
yeah sure I think it's gonna be pretty

2598
01:42:08,030 --> 01:42:04,580
cool man yeah um

2599
01:42:10,669 --> 01:42:08,040
that's cool I got one of those mine's

2600
01:42:12,830 --> 01:42:10,679
not as cool as yours oh he's kind of

2601
01:42:14,570 --> 01:42:12,840
cool oh dude hell yeah this one's given

2602
01:42:16,669 --> 01:42:14,580
like a posh Vibe like he's on the Move

2603
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:16,679
he's like in the middle of paying taxes

2604
01:42:20,689 --> 01:42:18,000
like don't talk to me I'm in the mail

2605
01:42:23,410 --> 01:42:20,699
look I'm paying my taxes he's turning

2606
01:42:28,010 --> 01:42:23,420
around and he sees Bob gimlin

2607
01:42:30,830 --> 01:42:28,020
I love it I have it I have a shoe

2608
01:42:34,609 --> 01:42:30,840
nice are you talking about your wrong

2609
01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:34,619
shoe yeah all right Show and Tell I have

2610
01:42:39,109 --> 01:42:36,000
the gentleman wolf

2611
01:42:41,090 --> 01:42:39,119
oh wait whoa that's cool that's all

2612
01:42:42,530 --> 01:42:41,100
right I feel like I feel like there's if

2613
01:42:44,510 --> 01:42:42,540
you pan your camera there's an entire

2614
01:42:46,430 --> 01:42:44,520
wall of cool action figures oh then we

2615
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:46,440
got a lot of stuff here man

2616
01:42:50,810 --> 01:42:48,960
I'm expecting you to pull out like a a

2617
01:42:53,510 --> 01:42:50,820
jellyfish type creature with the top hat

2618
01:42:56,270 --> 01:42:53,520
Sherlock Holmes well look at that oh

2619
01:42:59,290 --> 01:42:56,280
that's cool the smoke yeah he's smoking

2620
01:43:04,310 --> 01:43:02,330
I love it man love it dude

2621
01:43:06,770 --> 01:43:04,320
well man I think we're getting pretty

2622
01:43:08,870 --> 01:43:06,780
close to the end here uh that's pretty

2623
01:43:10,669 --> 01:43:08,880
sick I love that dude I love that we're

2624
01:43:13,129 --> 01:43:10,679
gonna have to have you back on because

2625
01:43:14,990 --> 01:43:13,139
uh let's do it yeah yeah we're gonna

2626
01:43:15,850 --> 01:43:15,000
have to keep chatting this is this is

2627
01:43:19,010 --> 01:43:15,860
great

2628
01:43:20,750 --> 01:43:19,020
but the uh the uh the analytics show

2629
01:43:23,830 --> 01:43:20,760
that if you go longer than two hours

2630
01:43:25,850 --> 01:43:23,840
people start to fall off

2631
01:43:28,070 --> 01:43:25,860
where we're going off the rails we're

2632
01:43:30,350 --> 01:43:28,080
having fun oh man it's always a good

2633
01:43:31,970 --> 01:43:30,360
time man I'm so glad that you were able

2634
01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:31,980
to stop by and hang out with us tonight

2635
01:43:36,770 --> 01:43:35,280
dude I'm really excited about uh about

2636
01:43:38,570 --> 01:43:36,780
the work you got coming out in the

2637
01:43:40,490 --> 01:43:38,580
future now that I've seen some of your

2638
01:43:44,390 --> 01:43:40,500
past work really good stuff dude

2639
01:43:46,250 --> 01:43:44,400
absolutely loved it uh if there's

2640
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:46,260
anywhere that people can find you and

2641
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:47,760
watch it I know you got a podcast and

2642
01:43:51,709 --> 01:43:49,440
stuff going ahead and plug all that

2643
01:43:52,910 --> 01:43:51,719
stuff right now so everybody can can

2644
01:43:55,250 --> 01:43:52,920
find you man

2645
01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:55,260
yeah Montauk Chronicles if you haven't

2646
01:44:01,189 --> 01:43:58,560
seen it can be seen on 2B Plex I think

2647
01:44:04,129 --> 01:44:01,199
it's coming to Prime any day now

2648
01:44:08,030 --> 01:44:04,139
um Apple TV and my YouTube channel which

2649
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:08,040
is garitano 7 g a r e t a n o number

2650
01:44:12,590 --> 01:44:09,840
seven and

2651
01:44:15,229 --> 01:44:12,600
um my podcast off to the witch you can

2652
01:44:18,350 --> 01:44:15,239
find anywhere Spotify uh Apple podcast

2653
01:44:19,850 --> 01:44:18,360
Google podcasts and um we cover a lot of

2654
01:44:23,149 --> 01:44:19,860
the topics we were talking about tonight

2655
01:44:25,910 --> 01:44:23,159
I just recently interviewed um Stanton

2656
01:44:28,250 --> 01:44:25,920
levay who's the grandson of Anton LaVey

2657
01:44:31,490 --> 01:44:28,260
the creator of modern Satanism two-part

2658
01:44:34,129 --> 01:44:31,500
episode yeah really interesting guy I

2659
01:44:37,609 --> 01:44:34,139
bet and we covered James Dean's car the

2660
01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:37,619
curse of James Dean's car night visitors

2661
01:44:41,629 --> 01:44:39,600
um I was obsessed with horror films as a

2662
01:44:44,410 --> 01:44:41,639
kid some great Bigfoot stories UFO

2663
01:44:48,229 --> 01:44:44,420
stories so come and check it out

2664
01:44:49,490 --> 01:44:48,239
love it love it awesome dude such a

2665
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:49,500
great time dude thank you so much for

2666
01:44:53,689 --> 01:44:51,360
joining us tonight brother thank you

2667
01:44:55,310 --> 01:44:53,699
anytime man thank you so much yeah hit

2668
01:44:56,750 --> 01:44:55,320
us up anytime you come through Texas man

2669
01:44:58,310 --> 01:44:56,760
we'll go check out those Marvel lights

2670
01:45:00,050 --> 01:44:58,320
or see if we can go dig out that alien

2671
01:45:02,090 --> 01:45:00,060
in Aurora yeah I'll be out there in

2672
01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:02,100
November

2673
01:45:09,229 --> 01:45:07,669
yeah let's get together man that'd be

2674
01:45:10,669 --> 01:45:09,239
awesome

2675
01:45:12,229 --> 01:45:10,679
all right man are you gonna be here

2676
01:45:14,209 --> 01:45:12,239
early November because we're having uh

2677
01:45:17,629 --> 01:45:14,219
we're having a getaway dude early

2678
01:45:20,030 --> 01:45:17,639
November yeah yeah the fourth through

2679
01:45:21,530 --> 01:45:20,040
sixth we're gonna be uh uh near San

2680
01:45:24,350 --> 01:45:21,540
Antonio Texas doing like a little

2681
01:45:26,750 --> 01:45:24,360
Retreat of Oliver buddies from the from

2682
01:45:28,850 --> 01:45:26,760
the podcast uh yeah it's gonna be

2683
01:45:30,950 --> 01:45:28,860
awesome dude yeah let me uh let me see

2684
01:45:33,530 --> 01:45:30,960
where I am on those days or a little bit

2685
01:45:35,450 --> 01:45:33,540
later yeah awesome dude that sounds good

2686
01:45:37,070 --> 01:45:35,460
man that'd be so fun

2687
01:45:39,169 --> 01:45:37,080
all right thank you so much man we'll

2688
01:45:42,250 --> 01:45:39,179
talk to you soon have a good one brother

2689
01:45:46,390 --> 01:45:42,260
all right you as well thank you

2690
01:45:48,530 --> 01:45:46,400
yeah cool man dude

2691
01:45:49,970 --> 01:45:48,540
that was really great that was really

2692
01:45:52,850 --> 01:45:49,980
great you know I've always been

2693
01:45:54,770 --> 01:45:52,860
fascinated by that story you know uh

2694
01:45:56,270 --> 01:45:54,780
there's there's so much to it like we

2695
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:56,280
said there's so many different avenues

2696
01:46:00,290 --> 01:45:58,080
that you can take but there'd be mind

2697
01:46:02,570 --> 01:46:00,300
control or the conspiracy or government

2698
01:46:04,370 --> 01:46:02,580
or whatever it is man there's it can go

2699
01:46:06,890 --> 01:46:04,380
down so many rabbit holes and you know

2700
01:46:08,570 --> 01:46:06,900
while there is other things that you can

2701
01:46:11,390 --> 01:46:08,580
prove uh

2702
01:46:13,250 --> 01:46:11,400
uh you know individually

2703
01:46:16,070 --> 01:46:13,260
the Montauk project seems to be

2704
01:46:18,109 --> 01:46:16,080
something a little more difficult uh to

2705
01:46:20,689 --> 01:46:18,119
really put your thumb on but it really

2706
01:46:23,750 --> 01:46:20,699
is a story that takes all of that stuff

2707
01:46:26,930 --> 01:46:23,760
that can be kind of proven and rolls it

2708
01:46:29,870 --> 01:46:26,940
into a you know a into a nice little

2709
01:46:32,990 --> 01:46:29,880
Hoagie are you talking about a hoagie

2710
01:46:34,370 --> 01:46:33,000
sandwich Hoagies hear my how many layers

2711
01:46:37,250 --> 01:46:34,380
of meat and I don't know why I'm doing

2712
01:46:39,050 --> 01:46:37,260
that cheese it's like a conspiracy

2713
01:46:40,970 --> 01:46:39,060
hoagie

2714
01:46:43,070 --> 01:46:40,980
are you

2715
01:46:47,169 --> 01:46:43,080
you sound like Bam Margera dude it's

2716
01:46:54,590 --> 01:46:51,709
it's a it's a uh conspiracy Mitch I like

2717
01:46:57,169 --> 01:46:54,600
to fight like be a fine paranormal

2718
01:46:59,390 --> 01:46:57,179
famous yeah do you want do you want

2719
01:47:01,430 --> 01:46:59,400
yours toasted and then if you say yes

2720
01:47:04,310 --> 01:47:01,440
look at me

2721
01:47:06,649 --> 01:47:04,320
fine it'll be 15 minutes yeah get all

2722
01:47:09,370 --> 01:47:06,659
bad and then they drop it you're the one

2723
01:47:12,410 --> 01:47:09,380
that asked if I wanted to toast

2724
01:47:17,689 --> 01:47:12,420
and now you're mad just toast the bread

2725
01:47:20,590 --> 01:47:17,699
ball for I asked bread ready to go

2726
01:47:24,590 --> 01:47:20,600
it's something that's not

2727
01:47:25,490 --> 01:47:24,600
yeah yeah so heck yeah dude well that

2728
01:47:27,169 --> 01:47:25,500
was cool

2729
01:47:28,669 --> 01:47:27,179
we have to hit him up in November man

2730
01:47:30,530 --> 01:47:28,679
let's go look for somebody let's go look

2731
01:47:33,229 --> 01:47:30,540
for some crazy stuff dude that'd be

2732
01:47:37,370 --> 01:47:33,239
awesome yeah I I mean when I say about

2733
01:47:40,010 --> 01:47:37,380
like the the Montauk uh Chronicles like

2734
01:47:41,450 --> 01:47:40,020
I might have said it like twice the same

2735
01:47:44,090 --> 01:47:41,460
exact thing but I was just trying to

2736
01:47:46,510 --> 01:47:44,100
drive home that idea that like a lot of

2737
01:47:50,270 --> 01:47:46,520
storytellers in the past document

2738
01:47:53,930 --> 01:47:50,280
documentarians uh they got the story out

2739
01:47:56,030 --> 01:47:53,940
that's great but the the emotion uh just

2740
01:47:58,609 --> 01:47:56,040
he just kicked it up a notch man like

2741
01:48:02,450 --> 01:47:58,619
yeah I felt like I was there like it

2742
01:48:05,030 --> 01:48:02,460
made you feel uncomfortable yeah yeah

2743
01:48:06,649 --> 01:48:05,040
I also tell you before the show like I

2744
01:48:08,270 --> 01:48:06,659
felt like I was being mind control like

2745
01:48:10,790 --> 01:48:08,280
that's how

2746
01:48:12,649 --> 01:48:10,800
in a trance I was like oh my God I'm

2747
01:48:15,290 --> 01:48:12,659
there I feel like I'm there oh dude the

2748
01:48:20,090 --> 01:48:15,300
symbolism and the visuals were there was

2749
01:48:23,629 --> 01:48:20,100
no hiding you know it was like Hey and

2750
01:48:25,790 --> 01:48:23,639
anybody uh thinking about like the okay

2751
01:48:29,149 --> 01:48:25,800
the adrenochrome style right like the

2752
01:48:30,530 --> 01:48:29,159
like the like you can only say it you

2753
01:48:33,470 --> 01:48:30,540
can't say it three times or else the

2754
01:48:36,890 --> 01:48:33,480
entire episode gets banned I know but

2755
01:48:39,229 --> 01:48:36,900
like that [\h__\h] happened uh he that came

2756
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:39,239
out in 2015 the the documentary that

2757
01:48:47,270 --> 01:48:42,480
means yeah it's written before then so

2758
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:51,169
yeah yeah I don't know Mitch uh

2759
01:48:55,310 --> 01:48:53,040
it's not I'm not saying I'm not saying

2760
01:48:57,890 --> 01:48:55,320
everything is factual it's just a really

2761
01:48:59,450 --> 01:48:57,900
good Storyteller trying to get that yeah

2762
01:49:03,109 --> 01:48:59,460
I want to get into more of his ghost

2763
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:03,119
stories like he was he was uh he had he

2764
01:49:08,209 --> 01:49:04,560
had a few ghost stories that's pretty

2765
01:49:10,490 --> 01:49:08,219
cool yeah cool I want to know dude hey

2766
01:49:12,410 --> 01:49:10,500
we uh you know what we I forgot to do or

2767
01:49:15,470 --> 01:49:12,420
we forgot to do say what's up the chat

2768
01:49:18,050 --> 01:49:15,480
uh uh Cassie Cassie thank you so much

2769
01:49:20,689 --> 01:49:18,060
for for uh pointing out that I had

2770
01:49:23,990 --> 01:49:20,699
forgotten some uh or I didn't see some

2771
01:49:25,370 --> 01:49:24,000
questions that and Chad for uh I had

2772
01:49:27,050 --> 01:49:25,380
asked hey does anybody have any

2773
01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:27,060
questions questions for for the guest

2774
01:49:30,290 --> 01:49:28,320
guest

2775
01:49:32,870 --> 01:49:30,300
so thank you all for uh that assist

2776
01:49:34,550 --> 01:49:32,880
there boys

2777
01:49:38,030 --> 01:49:34,560
[Music]

2778
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:38,040
and uh yeah Alabama Tide still here dude

2779
01:49:43,129 --> 01:49:39,840
he was he was the first one he was good

2780
01:49:45,050 --> 01:49:43,139
game sir good game 36 hours early and uh

2781
01:49:46,970 --> 01:49:45,060
yeah

2782
01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:46,980
he's been waiting for that

2783
01:49:52,189 --> 01:49:48,960
from you

2784
01:49:54,590 --> 01:49:52,199
but good games can you say it again

2785
01:49:58,490 --> 01:49:54,600
good game Alabama tag good game good

2786
01:50:03,250 --> 01:49:58,500
game I mean UT hold their own dude it

2787
01:50:09,709 --> 01:50:08,209
look he said uh he knows he knows

2788
01:50:12,109 --> 01:50:09,719
I didn't watch it but I heard it was

2789
01:50:15,470 --> 01:50:12,119
awesome it's the most satisfying loss I

2790
01:50:17,689 --> 01:50:15,480
think I've ever seen one one point one

2791
01:50:19,129 --> 01:50:17,699
point you know you should you should

2792
01:50:22,129 --> 01:50:19,139
feel very satisfied is a lot of people

2793
01:50:24,770 --> 01:50:22,139
bet on that like Gap like to win by

2794
01:50:26,570 --> 01:50:24,780
whatever uh yeah I was so happy around a

2795
01:50:29,629 --> 01:50:26,580
lot of people lost a lot of money I was

2796
01:50:31,609 --> 01:50:29,639
so happy everybody lost a lot of money

2797
01:50:33,530 --> 01:50:31,619
if anything that's that's kind of fun

2798
01:50:36,050 --> 01:50:33,540
yeah it's just one of those things you

2799
01:50:37,669 --> 01:50:36,060
know like Alabama is the bar dude you

2800
01:50:39,770 --> 01:50:37,679
know like if you want to know how good

2801
01:50:41,810 --> 01:50:39,780
you are you play them because they're

2802
01:50:44,390 --> 01:50:41,820
the standard that's what you want to be

2803
01:50:47,390 --> 01:50:44,400
wow how are they so good consistently

2804
01:50:49,850 --> 01:50:47,400
like what because they do because Savin

2805
01:50:55,450 --> 01:50:49,860
is a genius whether you like them or not

2806
01:51:00,169 --> 01:50:58,729
is the elephant

2807
01:51:02,590 --> 01:51:00,179
no

2808
01:51:05,330 --> 01:51:02,600
uh

2809
01:51:07,310 --> 01:51:05,340
he's a real smart dude anyway that's not

2810
01:51:11,209 --> 01:51:07,320
UFOs or anything like that I just want

2811
01:51:14,270 --> 01:51:12,229
um

2812
01:51:15,890 --> 01:51:14,280
yeah dude that's it for me man that's it

2813
01:51:17,689 --> 01:51:15,900
for me yeah I'd be thinking about this

2814
01:51:19,910 --> 01:51:17,699
episode all night I can already I can

2815
01:51:22,149 --> 01:51:19,920
already feel it in my bones yeah me too

2816
01:51:26,090 --> 01:51:22,159
man I'm gonna be thinking about it

2817
01:51:28,790 --> 01:51:26,100
yeah I'm I'm gonna make some some Ramen

2818
01:51:30,530 --> 01:51:28,800
soon I'm gonna uh make a spicy bowl of

2819
01:51:32,570 --> 01:51:30,540
ramen and you know this like my my

2820
01:51:34,010 --> 01:51:32,580
ritual for every Thursday for like past

2821
01:51:36,410 --> 01:51:34,020
couple months

2822
01:51:37,850 --> 01:51:36,420
and I'm I'm just coming out and telling

2823
01:51:40,189 --> 01:51:37,860
you guys like that's what I do every

2824
01:51:42,649 --> 01:51:40,199
every Thursday night I I make a bowl of

2825
01:51:44,030 --> 01:51:42,659
Robin so yeah that's what I'm about to

2826
01:51:45,350 --> 01:51:44,040
do I'm gonna I'm gonna be thinking about

2827
01:51:47,330 --> 01:51:45,360
it you know

2828
01:51:52,870 --> 01:51:47,340
well you know what time it is man

2829
01:52:00,129 --> 01:51:55,790
listen to the smooth jazz

2830
01:52:08,209 --> 01:52:05,510
me means and Ben full garage podcast all

2831
01:52:10,669 --> 01:52:08,219
right guys all right man well hey

2832
01:52:13,129 --> 01:52:10,679
we'll see y'all uh next Thursday because

2833
01:52:16,250 --> 01:52:13,139
uh you know this has been another

2834
01:52:18,109 --> 01:52:16,260
episode of UFO

2835
01:52:21,020 --> 01:52:18,119
OT we'll talk to y'all next time man

2836
01:52:40,990 --> 01:52:21,030
take it easy

2837
01:52:43,980 --> 01:52:42,890
thank you